Breeders & the $$$$$$ - Page 3

Ibrahim is right. if you accept money for a puppy then the amount does not matter as long as both parties are happy.
One is reminded of the old anecdote (rumored to have originated in a conversation between Sir Winston Churchill and an English socialite) in which a woman is propositioned for $5 million. She blushes coyly and mutters something about discussing particulars. She is then propositioned for $100000 and so on and on in descending order and she more and more hesitantly agree, until they reach  $50, at which time she expresses offense, asking “What kind of woman do you take me for?” The interrogator answers blithely, “Madame, we’ve already established that. Now we are merely haggling about price.”
So  the breeders who are talking about ethics of selling pups I would suggest that they should get of high horse of ethics if they ever sold a pup even for $1. The principle is the same. $1 or $2000.:)

 Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

sitasmom, your additions are some of the heaviest contributors to the shelter. The dogs from these are often sold at a very low price or given away. The new owner has little investment. If the dog becomes inconvenient, they are simply dumped.

In the end, it will always be the buyers responsibility for the choice they make.

Rik

Rik - I totally agree with you. Unfortunately there seem to be as many of these "breeders" as there are breeders that work hard to improve the breed, and a never ending supply of dogs waiting their execution at the local shelter.


8. The worthless b-st-rd that just lets his dogs run loose and doesn't care what its bred to...... then sells the puppies as unpapered purebreds on the side of the road or in the Walmart parking lot...more shelter fodder.

Jenni78- "commercial" infers someone trying to make money.......these "breeders" don't have money as a motive.

Hello Ulli, Hope all is well with you! I totally agree with your philosophy of having breed surveys, health checks, and titles completed BEFORE breeding. I am against the so called "test" breeding to determine if the sire and bitch are worthy of investing money to achieve titles! Renee

Maybe a better phrase would be betterment of the breed AS IT NOW EXISTS. If we just ask ourselves a few simple questions, I think it's pretty clear. If we look at the standard that originally was set by max s. the originator, I see from pictures of old original dogs, understand from I've been able to read, that the breed was always bred in a state of progression. It seems to me  that max bred his dogs to perform tasks that met the requirements of the day. Has not every one read where he had to work at getting his dogs accepted as working police dogs. what happened to the working farm dogs and police dogs before world war. And more importantly what changed when the gsd's were bred for war. What was the primary  task for the dogs after the war? Some of you older folks that wittnessed the evolution of the german shepherds in Europe over say even the last 60 or 70 years. Please post your wittnessed observation of the changes that have taken place in your lifetimes. Times and the world we live in changes constantly and I would bet most of you that have witnessed alot of changes over the years to ,as I believe max  intended his working dogs to do and that would be to continue to keep evolving into the gsd's that can handle the tasks needed , to be a helpfull force in the time and world we live in. To always be evolving into a working dog that can accomplish the tasks asked of them. While adhearing to the standards of the breed that he set forth. But like every thing else if you're not going forward, your going backwards. Max gave us the map, Not  Akc, not sport clubs, Max set the standard, that will progressivly better the breed, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GO BY IT!!        hank

Hi Renee,
hope all is well with you & your Family aswell.
IT seems everything revolves around the same thing, when is it "ethical" to make a $ or two. It is pretty obvious that everybody has a different opinion about that.
I tend to stick to what I mentioned earlier, if one breeds only 1-2 litters a year, he might have a shortterm profit, but looking at the numbers in the longrun, given that he/she does the breedings the way they should be done, will look at 15- 20 years before making a "solid profit". These 15 - 20 years contain the cost of building fences, kennels, putting new grass in....... you name it.
Hey Rik, hope you are ok.
Hallo Hans, hope you & your spouse are fine.
Ulli

Ibrahim as normally I enjoy reading what you write and I agree totatlly. I do believe some people breed and money is not the controlling factor. And yes it is ok to what to be compensated for time and work and research that breeders should do. I personnally dont want a rescue dog from a shelter. I prefer a well bred dog and willing to pay breeders for doing for developing what I want to purchase. But most breeders dont wake up and say "how do I make money oh I can breed dogs." Those guys are easy to pick out anyway. I believe most breeders and even dishonest ones actually start breeding for the love of the breed and I believe most do it for the betterment but few actually keep that as the main motivatior.  Most  interpret betterment different and have different goals that affect judgement.
Reggie