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by GSDPACK on 28 November 2010 - 19:11
I inported two bitches from Czech nothing wrong with them! actaully one is a very nice female, one is a good female. Sold for business purpose to support small kennels. not because they were garbage! Maybe you dont know where to look, but Anrebri is NOT the only seller with good dogs. I know Hans just sold two fantastic females out of a very nice Czech kennel I know the breeder and she has produced some EXEPTIONAL dogs.. just becasue you dont know what to look for doesnt mean all the dogs are crap..
And hell ya, I am going to ask money for somebodys hard work. Shipping is expensive and I know Lufthansa just increased the prices. It takes about 1200 bucks to ship a dog out. ZVV1 titled female out of very nice bloodlines trained to pass, yet not screwed up is about 3800 usd..that is more than a fair price for a nice female. Or you can go and train it yourself... see how much you would value your dog...
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by Prager on 28 November 2010 - 20:11
Christopher Smith
To think that dog which will not work for a stranger, in a strange environment, climate, food, water, timezone, inferior and/or to him/her unusual handling abilities of a new owner, improper delivery of commands and their timing , different reward system, and different training approach in general and not enough time to bond with the new owner and other major changes in his life will not work because he falls apart because of the flight is well,....uh,.. ignorant to say the least. And "I can't believe into what pretzels I got myself into" to call just that; ignorant.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
To think that dog which will not work for a stranger, in a strange environment, climate, food, water, timezone, inferior and/or to him/her unusual handling abilities of a new owner, improper delivery of commands and their timing , different reward system, and different training approach in general and not enough time to bond with the new owner and other major changes in his life will not work because he falls apart because of the flight is well,....uh,.. ignorant to say the least. And "I can't believe into what pretzels I got myself into" to call just that; ignorant.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
by GSDguy08 on 28 November 2010 - 21:11
Some of these dogs I've seen though, in Germany, Czech, or Slovakia that are for sale.....if you look at the videos, you can tell they were completely compulsion trained, and trained too fast, just enough training to slap a title on them. Poor sloppy obedience on a lot of them (my Huskies do better obedience than these dogs, at least the ones I saw). A lot of the other work I saw wasn't that great either, if these dogs were still on here I'd post video links. Regardless, they were asking around $8,500 or more for these dogs and they only had SchH 1, or ZVV1 titles, and that's it.
by Prager on 28 November 2010 - 22:11
Young dog with SchH1 , ZVV1 or so will cost around $6500-$9000+S&H. Ask for videos. If you do not like what you see do not buy the dog. That is simple.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
by wrestleman on 28 November 2010 - 22:11
Hans you selling ocean front property in Arizona too at those prices, Thats BS. Just came back with 3 dogs a decent Czech dog he thank goodness was trained in Germany and his training is good and a sch2 male and sch 3 male and the prices you are saying is a joke. There are damn good dogs to be had in Europe for a good price. I have a few friends in clubs and a cop or 2 there that help find me dogs and the prices for all 3 where not $9000 and these are all police quality animals and a normal. You may sell your dogs for the Prices you quoted if you can fins a sucker BUT PLEASE people investigate before you invest go shop find a sportsman in Germany or Belgium and become friends and find out the real prices importers are paying. I saw some SVV1 dogs that where good looking dogs but no way could I have used them the foundation training was not good enough . I also saw 2 young females for sale from the Anrebria or how ever you spell it that where damn good and are in Germany but I never really look for females.
by frankm205 on 28 November 2010 - 23:11
As far as the dogs adjusting to a new handler and working right out of the box we call them Whores. They will work for anybody at any time without caring for the handler. I have traveled to several countries, imported many dogs for police work and ALWAYS the best ones are the ones that took a few weeks to settle in ALWAYS.
As far as titled dogs in Czech and Slovakia if you can't go test them then get a good video. If you cand see the holes in the dogs working ability in the videos ask for help from someone who has more experience. If you don't like the dog don't buy it. I deal with one guy from Slovakia, one guy from Czech and one from Germany now because they know exactly what I want and we have had good relations for years.
A good titled Zvv1, IPO1 dog for police work will cost me around 4,500 -5000 plus shipping. BUT a quality dog with a breeding pedigree from popular lines and good looks for breeding purposes will cost much more than that. Again why would a good police dog trainer want a titled dog to start with?????
As far as titled dogs in Czech and Slovakia if you can't go test them then get a good video. If you cand see the holes in the dogs working ability in the videos ask for help from someone who has more experience. If you don't like the dog don't buy it. I deal with one guy from Slovakia, one guy from Czech and one from Germany now because they know exactly what I want and we have had good relations for years.
A good titled Zvv1, IPO1 dog for police work will cost me around 4,500 -5000 plus shipping. BUT a quality dog with a breeding pedigree from popular lines and good looks for breeding purposes will cost much more than that. Again why would a good police dog trainer want a titled dog to start with?????
by Prager on 29 November 2010 - 19:11
Wrestleman
Yeah find sportsman in Germany or Belgium and then make a leap of faith with someone in foreign country and hope that all is going to get well since if it does not you have a law suite with someone in Timbuktu. Also if you go to Germany or Belgium or Slovakia how much is your airfare ticket, hotel and car rental and restaurant eating and gas, and time lost at work, ......worth?!
Wrtestelman
I have written on this topic here on PDB . I love it when people talk ignorant BS like you here. Here is something to consider from the other thread:
How much would you pay for a imported SchH1/IPO1/ ZVV1 dog if you would know this?
1. the dog has to be located.
2.tested.
3. additional training added.
4. transported from the buyer to our kennel in Czech
5. maintained/boarded on average for 4 mo
6. rexrayd hips
7. rexrayed elbows
8. occasional vet care
9. picture taken
10 video taken
11. put on the website
12.talk to people on the phone for average 100 hours to sell one dog .
13.answer about 50 e mails per day .
14. pay to decoys for 3 x per week workout.
15. pay to employees to take care of the kennel
16. purchase of the kennel.
17. tax of the kennel property / permits.
18. interest on the mortgage
19. power
20. phone bill
21. web master
22. transport to airport in Germany 800 miles round trip.
23. heath certificate.
24. shipping crate
25. shipping
26. occasional returns for unpredictable health reason and permanent care for such dog at our home in a beloved pack of old and ugly until he/she dies.
27. continuous support.
29. discounts on repeated and multiple sales
30. discounts on training of our dogs.
31. dog itself
32. schH/IPO/ZVV1 about 1000 sessions in obedience , protection and tracking.
33. about 120 years of combined experience amongst 4 people
34. blood, sweat, tears and love 24/7/365/
35no full weekend for years no vacations
36. lost nerves telling people that you are not a rip off if you charge for all these things and make a minimal profit in order to perpetuate this bad habit of love of dogs and and providing them to people who need them or want them. .
37. great warranty
38. I am sure I have forgot something.
??????????
Here is a complete link to that topic:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum/61611.html?pagen=1
http://www.alpinek9.com
Yeah find sportsman in Germany or Belgium and then make a leap of faith with someone in foreign country and hope that all is going to get well since if it does not you have a law suite with someone in Timbuktu. Also if you go to Germany or Belgium or Slovakia how much is your airfare ticket, hotel and car rental and restaurant eating and gas, and time lost at work, ......worth?!
Wrtestelman
I have written on this topic here on PDB . I love it when people talk ignorant BS like you here. Here is something to consider from the other thread:
How much would you pay for a imported SchH1/IPO1/ ZVV1 dog if you would know this?
1. the dog has to be located.
2.tested.
3. additional training added.
4. transported from the buyer to our kennel in Czech
5. maintained/boarded on average for 4 mo
6. rexrayd hips
7. rexrayed elbows
8. occasional vet care
9. picture taken
10 video taken
11. put on the website
12.talk to people on the phone for average 100 hours to sell one dog .
13.answer about 50 e mails per day .
14. pay to decoys for 3 x per week workout.
15. pay to employees to take care of the kennel
16. purchase of the kennel.
17. tax of the kennel property / permits.
18. interest on the mortgage
19. power
20. phone bill
21. web master
22. transport to airport in Germany 800 miles round trip.
23. heath certificate.
24. shipping crate
25. shipping
26. occasional returns for unpredictable health reason and permanent care for such dog at our home in a beloved pack of old and ugly until he/she dies.
27. continuous support.
29. discounts on repeated and multiple sales
30. discounts on training of our dogs.
31. dog itself
32. schH/IPO/ZVV1 about 1000 sessions in obedience , protection and tracking.
33. about 120 years of combined experience amongst 4 people
34. blood, sweat, tears and love 24/7/365/
35no full weekend for years no vacations
36. lost nerves telling people that you are not a rip off if you charge for all these things and make a minimal profit in order to perpetuate this bad habit of love of dogs and and providing them to people who need them or want them. .
37. great warranty
38. I am sure I have forgot something.
??????????
Here is a complete link to that topic:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum/61611.html?pagen=1
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
by Prager on 29 November 2010 - 19:11
Oh Wrestelman you are rich man!!!!! If you can provide me with SchH 1-3 dogs of quality and decent age for $3000 I'll buy any amount of such dogs. LOL!
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
by wrestleman on 30 November 2010 - 00:11
Hans you are a funny guy like PT Barnum.looking for a sucker born every minute . they are sportsman and not looking to make a living from there dogs, some are trainers and always looking for the next dog for more points.They are not looking to make a living etc like someone who sells dogs for a living so they are fair and reputable and sell their dogs for a normal price. You seem like a nice enough guy but you do not have to justify high prices to me only to the poor suckers who feel better paying them. If people feel better paying high prices thats there right, There are still some honest dog trainers in Europe who will treat people fair as they themselves want to be treated fair.
by Prager on 30 November 2010 - 18:11
As I said show me an import SchH3 of quality for $3000 and I show you the money...all day long.If you think that the sellers of dogs in Europe are all honest sportsmen who want to help Americans who they love and give them a quality top dog for peanuts, then not me but you are the sucker and I have beach front property for you here in Arizona which I can sell you.
Look I am not running a charity. I provide service based on my 44 years of knowledge of Czech GSDs and 57 years of knowledge of customs, and people of Czech rep. I also promote quality GSDs from there and not the crap which is now there on market and I help to my customers get such dogs with minimal risk for them and backed by additional service and warranty and advice after they get the dog. And I love dogs thus I am lucky that I do what I love. It chops my hide when people insinuate that I and people like me do it (just) for money and looking for suckers and that we should do if for free or less money. I assure you I am not getting rich on this. I am braking even and on a good day I make little extra for a bad day in the future . Above I have made a partial list so that you understand what it takes for people like me to import a quality dog to a customer who does not want to go to Europe and try to figure this all out on his /hers own. Yes you can go to Europe and get lucky and get a good dog (or not), but if you ad your costs it is not cheaper. Or you can go and contact some schlock on Internet and hope for the best. I can tell you many horror stories. If I would buy a foreigner car I would not go to buy a car into Japan from manufacturer either. I go to a respectable dealer here in Peoria, AZ next door and buy car there. That dealer who took care of all the importing BS will then guarantee the car and maintain it and so on.
The topic of this thread is about quality dogs from Czech ad Slovak. I can and do get such dogs to clients here. Yes there are crappy dogs sold to not so savvy Americans rather then taken behind the barn and shot. Now that is a fact and not a figure of speech. Most people do not want to take a chance to get such a dog.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
Look I am not running a charity. I provide service based on my 44 years of knowledge of Czech GSDs and 57 years of knowledge of customs, and people of Czech rep. I also promote quality GSDs from there and not the crap which is now there on market and I help to my customers get such dogs with minimal risk for them and backed by additional service and warranty and advice after they get the dog. And I love dogs thus I am lucky that I do what I love. It chops my hide when people insinuate that I and people like me do it (just) for money and looking for suckers and that we should do if for free or less money. I assure you I am not getting rich on this. I am braking even and on a good day I make little extra for a bad day in the future . Above I have made a partial list so that you understand what it takes for people like me to import a quality dog to a customer who does not want to go to Europe and try to figure this all out on his /hers own. Yes you can go to Europe and get lucky and get a good dog (or not), but if you ad your costs it is not cheaper. Or you can go and contact some schlock on Internet and hope for the best. I can tell you many horror stories. If I would buy a foreigner car I would not go to buy a car into Japan from manufacturer either. I go to a respectable dealer here in Peoria, AZ next door and buy car there. That dealer who took care of all the importing BS will then guarantee the car and maintain it and so on.
The topic of this thread is about quality dogs from Czech ad Slovak. I can and do get such dogs to clients here. Yes there are crappy dogs sold to not so savvy Americans rather then taken behind the barn and shot. Now that is a fact and not a figure of speech. Most people do not want to take a chance to get such a dog.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
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