Table training - Page 1

Thought I'd be the first to bring it up in the new forum :) Suppose you had a young dog ten months old that is so high in prey when in bite work he can't see a threat coming. Let's say a car could hut him and he wouldn't care. I have seen some dean videos on table training that is not like others (ie forcing the fight drive ect.) instead he is frustrating the dog to bring out a little more natural aggression. Bet ya figured out it's my dog I'm talking about :) I am just wondering what signs to watch for so I don't push it too far with him. I have amazing trainers working with me that I very much trust so I'm not going at it from inexperience per se. I just want the understanding behind the theory. And I want to be able to read my dog. Also this month he has started to act like a "big boy". Barking at people who come to my door, anyone that gets close to my truck, and even lifted his leg once...So I know he's starting to mature. Just so you know a little more about him. any feedback would be greatly appreciated :)

Well it doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks. You state that you have very good helpers. Every dog is different and nobody on here can help you more than your helper/trainers. They know the dog and are the only ones that can assist you. If you don't like their philosophies, find a new trainer. People will give you differing opinions on here and what does that give you, in your case? The opinions will either differ or agree with what your helper/trainer believes. If they disagree, you will probably dismiss it. And if you don't, are you going to go back to your helper to school him on how and why it is done? And if they agree, what have you learned?---------+--++-++++++ I'm not saying this isn't a good topic of discussion, but I just don't see how it will benefit you with experienced help "per se".

"I just want the understanding behind the theory. And I want to be able to read my dog "

this being said...i would never go and undermind my trainer/helpers  I ask because I am new and I understand that the best way to learn about this sport and the techniques used for training is to get as MUCH info as possible about every aspect.  the more oppinions, articles, books that i can read and videos i can watch the more i learn.  That's my only intent for this post.  Like if you have sport dogs...do you use table trainng?  and if so what are the reasons you would use that method? it's not just for my dog that i want to know these things, I really want to understands the reson behind the training.

i most likely drive my td/helpers crazy with all my questions..so i figured i would ask on here.

prob a dumb post huh?

No, not dumb.

LEARNING; To me that entails many things. When I read a topic/thread like this my mind gets a buzzing. I'm a visual person, a (for the majority) have to see to believe type. And for the most part have to know why and how.

For me, I have never "table trained" and know very little of it's purpose/methods. I jumped on youtube to check out a few vids to visualize. A couple of responses to Harleyace; and these are mostly inquisitive and anyone can answer/state to them.

My thoughts are if the dog doesn't (to me it's about articulation, identifying, breaking down the response and then attempting to rectify the response or action by expertise, knowledge, experience, training or trial and error). If the dog does not see? Acknowledge? Interpret?  the THREAT then intensify the threat. I know the dog is 10 mos. and in my eyes that is still a puppy. But due to training or lack of, and to what level then he might not act just like a puppy. I was/am taught to train for real life/real world train to react. So I sit there and think (my thoughts only) that to FRUSTRATE the dog to react to obtain a certain type of action/reaction how is the dog learning? Or how will the dog do the "right thing" at the "right moment"? He wouldn't do "the right thing" out of frustration on the street or what ever job he was designated for.

And for the "understanding behind the theory"? I wouldn't know. By watching those videos when would a K9 in (any job) be put into that scenario? Why? I watched "Hano K9 table training" and "Schutzhund Protection Training..AB "Hasta"...March 9th 2011" and me personally, don't see the reasoning. For bite work, the "REWARD" is the bite itself NOT the sleeve. When in a real situation is your K9 going to be chained up either on a table or in a half box. 

Now as I stated, I know very little of this method/training. So if others will come on and state something to the effect of the K9 is not on the ground? He's elevated so his senses are different? Or things along those lines...... then enlighten me, also. There are numerous other realistic training scenarios/methods that trains and puts the K9 in a "elevated" or "off the ground" environment. 

Im on my phone and its takes too long to search but if u do a search you will find a number of good threads on it here. Also Sportwaffenk9 has some good articles on it as well on their website. A good place to read up on.

Alboe,
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Jim

 If you want imput on Table training to undersatnd it... Go to Gene England.

table training is a tool , just like a clicker , most times Ive seen people training on a table it was bad work , so lets hope you really have good helpers

IMO  you dont need a table to adress your dogs natural agression

Thank you all so very much! I love trying to get both sides of every thoery or oppio ion. I will be reading all of those articles! Albo: yet again eloquently put and understood. Thank you. Duke: Just for my own understanding and learning sake... What would you do differently than table training. I know not every method is good for everydog, and would love to know your opinion. Again thank you all so much for the feedback!