Ownership????? - Page 1

At any and every USCA/WDA show the original papers of a dog is required to be available at registration. What is required to prove legitimate ownership? I have seen dogs registered in a WDA catolog under one owner and then less then a month later at a USCA event under totally different owners. How do the organizations determine who officially owns a dog? When does any genuine ownership have to be proven and how does that come into play?

SV: The owner that is listed last on the back of the papers is usually the current owner. When a dog is sold the previous owner signs the appropriate space in the back, and the new owner signs at the appropriate space for that part of the transfer. On the current SV papers there are spaces for 6 transfers. The papers do not have to be sent back to the SV. However, if they are not sent back, then the SV does not have any record of that change of ownership. In this case the SV requires a separate transfer of ownership form that lists the seller info and his signature, and new owner info. It provides the SV with a proper chain of events. A different person than the actual owner cannot sign a dog over. That would be fraud and would not be accepted by the SV, nor under the law. So you cannot sign on behalf on someone. You can change ownership of a dog from one day to the next if you'd want to, and as often as you want. If a dog is sold 4 times in one month for example, and you had used the dog for stud service during that month, the person that is recorded as owner of the dog on the day of breeding is the one who has to sign breeding certificates etc. A dog could theoretically change ownership for just a single event, and then be changed back. Since the SV keeps a record of these ownership changes, the owner at time x can always be determined. A show catalogue usually lists whatever owner has been put on the show entry form by the person who submitted it, and states usually states who was owner at the time the entry was submitted, unless these people make an active effort to change that in time. Since the show catalogues are printed before the event, recent ownership changes may not appear in there. AKC/CKC: The back of the AKC papers has a transfer of ownership section, which applies to one transfer only. The papers have to be sent back to AKC or CKC and a new reg form is issued that bears the new owner name in the front.

Okay, DH, let's get a little more specific, at the time of a Sieger Show, who is allowed to claim ownership of a dog? Does the NAME have to appear on some sort of paperwork? What if it does not? Is it allowed to appear in a catalog that way? And what after the fact? Does anyone verify the information submitted for an entry? Is anyone penalized for false entry information? What is accomplished by adding names to ownership of a dog that truly don't exist?

No one can "claim" ownership. First owner is always the breeder. Breeder sells puppy/dog to next owner, or co-owner(s). Every change of ownership must include knowledge and consent of the person who owned the dog before. You can't just go and say "my dog now". The papers usually have to accompany the dog at a show. Exception is when the papers are still with SV - for example due to a recent breed survey. In this case the owner gets a form that states the dogs info and that he is now breed surveyed. Like getting a temporary drivers license while you are waiting for the laminated version to arrive in the mail. In a catalog usually the information appears as it has been put on the entry form. I don't know what the WDA or USA does to verify correctness of entry forms. You should maybe address them yourself for that and let us know what the results were. Depending on the show a copy of the papers usually has to accompany an entry form. So it is safe to say that the clubs go by what is listed on the papers and the entry form at the time that entry is sent in. Entry forms usually contain a passus that the information contained in the form is correct and the person submitting the form signs with their name for it. To the last question - if anyone would really do that and the real owner does not mind... ego I guess. Bottom line is - what people choose to make public in terms of ownerships and how they delegate ownerhips is their own personal business. Why such intense interest?

No "intense" interest DH. Just wondering after noticing some continuous differences in the catalogs listing ownership from show to show, organization to organization. Some dogs change owners within a two week period, back again and then oh gee, back again a month later. There is nearly enough time to mail the entry let alone have papers to prove a change. What is up with that? But in an entry, listed owner is NOT personal business but record. If you wish to show/trial you must list owner of record. I just wondered how accurate the organizations were in requiring the information to be factual.