Need help with dangerous situation - Page 8

OK peace.   

".....as long as your dogs bite the right people."  THAT takes discernment!

End of story.

Outta here.

What everrr. I never initiate any posts towards you. 

And that attitude, that every person is supposed to be perceived as a "threat", is why overreactive, weak nerved, fear biting dogs are excused as just guarding. Jyl , I'm surprised that you are on that band wagon. A dog being territorial, barking to alert at the presents of a visitor is good....biting a NON--threatening, neutral person is not. No wonder insurance co won't insure homes with gsd.......the mentality of some dog owners is twisted. From one extreme to the other. smh

Responable dog owners don't leave their dogs running at large, no matter the breed.

Joanro you are denying nature.  If anybody is misquoting anyone ,  then it is you . I have not said:" that every person is supposed to be perceived as a "threat"". 

I have said:"To a sound, mature, healthy, herding dog, every   not familiar   person which enters  a  territory of such dog who is not under supervision and leadership control of his owner   may be and usually is, if the dog is not brain dead or degenerated or inhibited down by repetitiveness of the friendly people walking by( as was the OP case) , perceived by a  dog as a threat to his  territory." 

Thus I am talking about stranger entering a dog's territory while such dog is not under control and leadership of his master.  It is a fact of nature that for sake of survival and thousands of generations of selective breeding by nature and man, most healthy, normal dogs will perceive a stranger entering  into  his territory, be it a house or yard  or car ( to name few such ares) , if not commanded by their master othervise , as a threat. To say that such dog is "overreactive, weak nerved, fear biting dogs "  is misunderstanding of how dogs think and react. To suggest that dog  should somehow determine if the person is threat or not  by a virtue of some inherited  magical clairvoyant power  is  doing disservice to the people who would believe such foolishness.  On top of it, it would do a disservice to a  normal sound dogs and specific breeds, who are naturally  territorial as they suppose to be.

 jmo

Prager Hans

Hey, I wasn't quoting you. I made a statement based on my opinion and experience. Makes no difference to me if you agree with my statement or not.....I certainly am not attempting to sway your ideas.....I am just clarifying for any readers what my view is regarding the topic of this thread, and to not allow inaccurate paraphrasing of my posts to stand. Other than that, it makes no difference to me what you post or if you thumbs down every post I make, regardless of content. Btw, it's nice that you think enough of your own posts to give them a thumbs up.lol I have to get back to work..carry on, as you were and a big thumbs up for fences. Lol.

I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.

Margaret Thatcher

Joanro,

I was agreeing with this statement...

To a sound, mature, healthy, herding dog, every   not familiar   person which enters  a  territory of such dog who is not under supervision and leadership control of his owner   may be and usually is, if the dog is not brain dead or degenerated or inhibited down by repetitiveness of the friendly people walking by( as was the OP case) , perceived by a  dog as a threat to his  territory.  And that leads to the aggression.  That is unless the dog is Lassy or Rin Tin Tin or overly friendly Labrador retriever or such .   To perpetuate a notion that sound, especially herding  dog  can be kept in  unfenced front yard without supervision and that such act is safe is irresponsible and dangerous in many different ways. 

I am not taking "sides"... or jumping on any "bandwagon".... I just agreed with the statment that Hans made NOTHING MORE OR NOTHING LESS.... so for you to say that I jumped on a "bandwagon" is a tad farfetched!

Since you said I am on the "bandwagon".. and I would LOVE to know how I am since I have NEVER commented on this thread until right now????? If someone walks onto my property and I am not there my dog will NAIL them... and she should. But before you, Joanro, harp in... My yard IS FENSED.... I have an 8 foot fense in the back yard where the dogs are as well as a 4 foot fense in the front yard. My dogs DO NOT go in the front yard unless I am right there. If someone comes to the door she will barks and in no uncertain terms say "THIS IS MY HOUSE"... But when I tell her to go lay down she does and I can open the door or gait and let that person walk in. My female, Xena, is far from weak nerved. 

A dog should have that "on" and "off" switch. As for insurance... my insurance company has NO ISSUES with the homeowners policy on this house. They also know that there are German Shepherds here as well...

So how is this not a true German Shepherd??

As for the OP... I agree with EVERYONE that has said that they should get a fense for their yard... as well as I feel that they should get some training for the dogs. Notice I said DOGS not just the one DOG. When I say training I mean talk to a prefessional... They need to get the dogs under control so that no one else gets bitten. Obviously they are trying since they came on here asking for advice...

Oh, byw,... yes I hit the "dislike" on the one post of yours.... because of what you said. I am on no "bandwagon"... So to say I have been is FARFETCHED and not true.

Without being on any "bandwagon" - Prager made 2 very good posts about "manage - control - difuse - result", and he started with a FENCE...
Lack of nerves - solid - unsolid - we´ll never know, but one thing is for sure: the BC is traumatized, both of them are becoming adults right now (!!!), and both breeds are very territorial...they don´t need to be unstable for what they were bred-guarding.
I´m with Jyl - my dog (when unsupervised/on his own ) would nail any stranger trying to get on my property, that´s his job, that´s in his genes, that´s why I own this breed, but he is a rock solid dog with VERY good obedience.