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I am not pretending that i know hidden meaning of someone's statement . Joan  I think you are stretching  Paul's meaning a bit. There is nothing top be misconstrued. The sentence and the thought  is quite clear and absolute. It would be good if PG would tell us what he meant.  Maybe we could learn something.  Here is his thought in it's entirety.  :

Solid nerve = confidence

Weak nerve = insecure

"Dogs that are 100% confident never see a threat thus have no reason bite. Weak nerve or insecure dogs will ether hide from all threat or sneak up behind or bite when cornered. They are ensuring they do not get hurt.  You can take a weaker nerved dog with lots of drive and teach them to mask fear by biting.

I read the post in the context of the op. I'm not stretching anything. People orinarily interpret what they read through their understanding of the context of the material. When statements are taken out of the intended context, the meaning can be misconstrued. When words are emboldened where the author did not put emphasis, the meaning is changed. If you don't agree with what a person says, it might be more constructive to state your view . If people don't understand, let them ask. You made "absolute" statements and got your plug in, so that should make you happy.... Pretty sure people can learn by asking their own questions if something is not clear to them...they don't need someone with an agenda to ask for them.... It's not obligatory that everyone agree......that's what the thumbs down is for.
Btw, what's your point?

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Offlip, if your dog doesn't bite and is submissive, and not aggreessive towards people , then you don't have the issue the op has. The dog park is not the place for all dogs.
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I don't have any issues with my Mal at all. He is super confident and not submissive (the only time he has ever put his head down to anything is when he used to play too rough with his "pretend mommy" , won the game and she got mad and barked at him). The only reason he goes to the dog park is that is the only place big enough for him to chase BALL and FRISBEE. He completely Ignores other Dogs and People. He never strays away from me at the dog park or anywhere else

 

Joanro:"I read the post as an explanation to op's dogs' behavior in that a 100% confident dog never sees a threat WHERE THERE IS NONE as in people walking across the yard, as op stated, who are being bitten by their Mali. But a "weak nerved= insecure dog", does see a threat where there is none and might bite, motivated by fear.
And I agree with that 100%."

Your explanation of what OP meant  is confusing to me.   So according to your point, you agree 100% that if stranger walks into dog's  territory ( "across the yard" where the dog resides)  then    the dog, somehow  should be able to determine that the intruder  means no harm and poses no threat  and not to  be aggressive?   

Prager Hans

If you are so confused, why don't you go back and reread, carefully, instead of paraphrasing.

BTW, Absolutely, a dog should have the ability to discern a threat or a not, whether the person (child or adult) are walking a cross his yard or the parking lot at Wallyworld. At least my dogs can...... can't yours?

 

 I have a vendetta?  Against whom? Well Excuuuuuuuuuse moi , that I have the audacity to ask a question when I do not understand your statement.  You are really reaching now.  And I am not paragraphing anything . This is a direct quote from your text : 

100% confident dog never sees a threat WHERE THERE IS NONE as in people walking across the yard, 

I will not paraphrase and you can explain  your direct quote.. Or you can answer my question. 

 Here is my question. How come that " 100% confident dog does never see a threat  WHERE THERE IS NONE  as in people walking across the yard. " The people walking across the yard of a dog are not suppose to be seen by 100% sound dog  as a threat?  Why not? 

Not every person is a threat, where I live. An eighty year old friend coming to visit is not a threat, and is not viewed as such by my dogs.

If it was as you seem to be alluding to, that every person is a threat and dogs need no discernment, everyone will need a cat to protect innocent children from being dragged to the ground and shaken like a rag doll.

Look Pray, this is very simple. Dogs are territorial animals. That so far they accepted strangers entering thair territory was a fluke which should not be expected. Their territoriality  was sedated or inhibited by  the fact that  tranquility of the friendly environment was never violated and  nothing negative have ever happened to  them in their yard.  They have seen  people walking by from day one and all was peachy - ducky.  But to expect such behavior from 2 dogs, where  one being Malinois   who are genetically very territorial and willing to back it up with bite  and the other being collie small mix which are usually  very alert and also genetically very territorial and even so rarely biting they are  watchfully - alarm   barking a lot.  And then something happened . Tranquility was  violently interrupted and the age of innocence ended.  The dogs awakened into what ever their genetics predisposition tells them to naturally do. Protect their territory.   Do not worry about weak nerves / strong nerves gobbledygook. ​ THAT IS WHAT DOGS DO!!!  They protect their territory! And these dogs indeed showed us that  is in their genes too, in genes of a SOUND DOG is strong program in their brain to protect their  territory. Only a numbnuts of  a dog is not genetically  territorial. It's  a matter of survival reinforcerd for thousands of generations . Territorial protection and warning  is one ( if not the only)  of the major reasons why wolf  was domesticated into dog. Pray,..... congratulations. You have 2 normal dogs. 

 Now as I WILL PARAPHRASE Clint Eastwood. : It is OK to get people bitten ,...as long as your dogs bite  the right people . So be careful  and manage your dogs in a way that innocent stay  unmolested. 

 Prager Hans

And that's why I suggested to the o p  to put their dogs behind a fence. They have two unstable dogs who are causing a problem....simple, put up a fence and people don't get bitten. Lack of containment  is the main cause for dogs to be killed. Put a fence up. Not real complicated or confusing. 

 Joan.   To a sound, mature, healthy, herding dog, every   not familiar   person which enters  a  territory of such dog who is not under supervision and leadership control of his owner   may be and usually is, if the dog is not brain dead or degenerated or inhibited down by repetitiveness of the friendly people walking by( as was the OP case) , perceived by a  dog as a threat to his  territory.  And that leads to the aggression.  That is unless the dog is Lassy or Rin Tin Tin or overly friendly Labrador retriever or such .   To perpetuate a notion that sound, especially herding  dog  can be kept in  unfenced front yard without supervision and that such act is safe is irresponsible and dangerous in many different ways. 

Prager Hans