Need help with dangerous situation - Page 5

Bzcz, do you always see everything as bait? "Never" covers alot of time. Are you certain about that claim against me? You got any proof? Are you certain that I'm of "little mind" ? Do you have proof that would make your blanket statement about me indisputable? How do you know for certain that some things I add to conversations are of not of "value" to some readers? Is there something about discussing dog training and genetics and behavior that causes you to become so defensive and offensive? Have you ever owned a dog or participated in real life endeavors involving dogs? Because you come across on the forums as a very inexperienced youngster trying to make a splash without having earned it. You ever heard of paying dues?
You are laughable, I'll give you that much, so you are of value for a good healthy laugh whenever your posts pop up.

I agree with Paul completely on his post. Paul, some people learn by just hearing, others pretend they know and will need that phone number you offered.

Hired dog, any time you want to compare training notes and "resumes" let me know. 

You are incorrect, Paul is incorrect.  This malinois can be helped.  Be a shame if something happened to this dog because of your inability to be able to offer help.  Anyone can criticize, what do you have to offer that can help this dog and owner?

Of course this pissing contest certainly helps the dogs and owner.

Who has not returned as of yet.

I wonder why.

 

Can everyone get closer to the Topic and help without jumping on each other for having a different view or opinion.

It can take ten ideas before one will work or the combination of the ten to find one.

Different does not make one wrong, they just have had different experiences to draw from, hearing them gives everyone a chance to learn something new that may work for them now or later.

Please let us look like Adults with knowledge not the opposite

 

Moons, perhaps the op found the key and fixed the problem. Maybe they put up a fence and put the dogs behind it, out of trouble. Problem is that bad advice is not always appearant to people who ask for advice. It's a good thing for there to be disagreement when appropriate, instead of people pretending life's a tweenky.

please back onto the original subject. This problem can be EASILY solved by not having the two dogs play with each other.

We also basically have a collie and a Mal. They live in the same house but are not allowed to play with each other.

What this does is to focus the Mal on YOU, not the other dog as the leader. Yes, whenever the collie barks at him sharply

because she disapproves of his behavior he goes head down to the floor in an act of submission. (he thinks she is mommy, she was 5y/o, he was 8 weeks)

BUT , the most important thing is that he follows your commands first and foremost. (you are the leader)

As others have said, You Can instill FOOD DRIVE, I prefer TOY DRIVE. (he also likes to sniff alot, I should explore Trail drive).

My Mal is pretty darn confident and I've been able to get him to obey MOSTLY by toy drive (Tug Ball Frisbee) followed LASTLY by food drive.

I would urge the OP to Use my technique. LOTS of socialization with humans, minimal with dogs except the dog park

to play fetch frisbee etc. My Mal only pays attention to ME @ the dog park.

It sounds like maybe the OP is using the other dog as a surrogate for time with the owner. In that case things will never turn out well.

If your mal cows down into submission when the collie barks at him, sounds like the dynamics between your dogs is totally different than the op's dogs. And you didn't mention if your mal bites people. Therefore, I would caution the op about taking the dog to dog park. Different dogs with very different temperaments, so using the same approach could back fire with op's dog.
JMO

Put the two dogs behind a fence and away from people coming to your yard/house.

No joan,  he doesn't bow down in submission often at all, only when she disapproves of his bad (RARE) behavior or when he wins at play (which he always wins and gets her really mad). We rarely catch them playing now, she is way too OLD.

He ignores her except for her Butt/A$$.

No, he never ever bites except for Tug, which you really can't win since he prefers to dangle in the air than let go and it gets pretty tiring to lift 65#'s for long.

Dog park is good, socialization is the #1 thing if the OP is going to have his Mal as a pet

Offlip, if your dog doesn't bite and is submissive, and not aggreessive towards people , then you don't have the issue the op has. The dog park is not the place for all dogs.