Asking, no begging, for sincere Belgian Malinois advice - Page 5

Did you read the thread Laura posted ? lol

That thread was posted a week or two before the OP here ... it's a good read if you have the time. Talks about children and dogs together alone.

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Hi BabyEagle4U:  I read it when it was posted.  I wrote and said thank you for the post and that "I just read the thread."  I appreciated it then and appreciate it now.  It is good advice.   Part of what started this is I originally asked if a dog trained and socialized for two years from being a puppy could be somewhere in the house with what would be my then 11 year olds who are very respectful of animals if I am in another room.  The answer was no and I understood the reasoning.  Asomich apparently becomes upset with questions and lashes out.

Asomich: Just saw your posts from page two.  I missed them since I was only on page three.  (Amazing how these things generate a life of their own)  That actually is an excellent suggestion.  (And no I am not being sarcastic) Thank your for the thoughts and sorry for the misunderstanding.  Truthfully I just felt like a dude tryng to research something who was kind of getting reemed for asking what seems like stupid questions to you but still I had to ask.  .  You may have noticed on some of my later posts that I pretty much ruled out the mal.  based on yours and others advice.  That is why I wrote "I will defer to experts with real experience and hold up for now.  Sigh, maybe some day..."   That is why I was confused when it was being suggested I was going full speed ahead with all of this and not taking any advice.     All that being said.... The latest development: I found a trainer (in my town!) who was the first to bring a mal in the area.  He was one of the guys with dogs who went to NY after 9/11. He has mals and trains them.  He actually works with my vet!  We are meeting and talking and e-mailing and I am getting excellent advice.  So, this may happen and it may not.  In the interim I would like to think I can ask people her for advice AND have direct personal experience. (Like babysitting a Mal or spending time here locally with them)  Sound good??  I would like to think everyone on here is an animal lover and we are on the same side.   Peace....j
ps My wife is beautiful and brilliant---but she is a tough trial lawyer and one time nationally ranked tennis player---She could beat my ass!

Jivan,
"Part of what started this is I originally asked if a dog trained and socialized for two years from being a puppy could be somewhere in the house with what would be my then 11 year olds who are very respectful of animals if I am in another room. " 
 
I am still trying to find this quote within this thread.  I was going by what you said within THIS thread. I have not been looking at your posts on other threads. This thread does not tell us that you were planning to leave the pup loose with the kids after they have reached 11 years and after the pup has been socialized. If that is so, then that makes a mal pup more doable. If you have had some time to think about it and are willing to change your expectations and environement, then that's great. If you have a trainer to help you, even better. Get him to help you find a pup for your environment. The right selection is the most critical step.
 
I breed mals. I am very good at socializing them. I taught public school math and science. I'm pretty good at teaching adults too. Dogs are real easy to teach - no baggage. I am an analytical person. I am very serious about this breed and where I place my dogs. I just rehomed my first breeding bitch who is very social and good with little dogs. There are two teenagers and three yorkies at the new house. The new owner has had 2 retired schH gsds - has a presence with dogs and even knows the Germand commands. This is her first mal and she is quickly learning that it is a whole different breed. We went through the whole list of what could go wrong. We walked her property to look at the best place to set up the kennel run. We introduced the dog to the swimming pool. We dog proofed her house. Ha ha - Part of that was to pull up the blinds on the window that we know the dog will look out of by standing on the back of the couch. I am spending alot of time with the new owner answering her questions and plan to train with her to get her jump started. the new owner is going to continue training and titling her. I will take my mama dog back in a heartbeat if the new owner has any issues. And this is a bitch that I trust in a social situation. I wouldn't dare trust my male or a couple of the pups from this mama dog in this environment. It has been hard to find my girl a loving home that can handle her even with her sweet temperament and age (3 years). I'm still waiting to see how this weekend goes with all of the lawn work and bbq's in the neighbors backyards, because this dog is territorial and alerts very quickly.
  
Thx, asomich.

  

  

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It was all in THIS thread---different comments but this actual thread.  At one point I said my daughters would be nine when the puppy arrived.  I later asked about them being in a different part of the home than me with the dog  AFTER socialization and AFTER he is no longer a puppy.  (I factored in for that to be about a two year process, thus they would be 11.  Granted I did not specify two years and that is probably where the confusion stems from)  I thought I did mention the two year part when I gave the badminton/balloon example.  Maybe I didn't, but I noticed that comment is no longer in the thread.  Where'd it go?!  Not important but just curious.....  Funny that you are a math teacher because I almost wrote earlier that it's a good thing you're not a teacher because your kids would be terrified of asking questions.  But hey, that's all the past.  My sisters are both teachers.  If I go forward with this I may have found a pup for my environment, but I will ask about that in a bit.....Right now it is all up in the air.

Jivan,
 
The title does use the word "sincere" and I went by the info that you provided on this thread.
 
I almost wrote that I wouldn't be able to place a pup in a home where the owner is going to blow up so easily.
 
Once again, I apologize for assuming you would not want to socialize a malinois pup.

Asomich:

To suggest that the problem was I did not appreciate "sincere" advice is simply disingenuous.  The great thing about a thread is that everything is in writing.  If you read each post you will find that I thanked everyone profusely, including you,  for their insight, even though most of it was advice against getting a mal. That is simply undeniable.  The only problem came days later at the end of the thread when you distorted my words or took them out of context.  I admittedly could have phrased a few things better (the two year part) and you admittedly made a mistake suggesting I had no interest in socializing a pup or was intent on leaving children alone with dogs even though I was simply asking a question.   I don't know why we can't leave it at that.   As I stated to you earlier, you know about mals and I am seeking mal advice.  It would not seem this should be an adversarial exchange.  There are certainly more productive ways to spend our time and the people on this thread have probably had enough anyway.  If you feel to offer sincere advice and answer questions you can pm me as I suggested.  If not we can simply wish each other luck.  Anything other than that seems silly.

Jivan,
Good luck with your new mal. Come back to the forum after a year and tell us all about it. Now go argue with your brilliant, beautiful trial lawyer wife!
asomich

No arguing. Just watching phelps win yet again. Will keep you posted on potential mal. May be a month, year or never. If I do get one I will report monthly and give you some tips. Peace.

Jivan , I feel for you because I have had to deal with a few " Snobs" myself . Asomich , I'm sure you think you're doing this fine breed a service by putting any newcomers to this breed in their place for actually just wondering if The Belgian Malinois can be more than just an attack trained dog , but breeders like you are what's wrong with this breed . From reading your posts , it's obvious you have a disdain to " show " Belgians ... maybe it's just that you like feeling that your breed is so exclusive that only genius's like yourself can tame this wild dog . I've alread had another breeder just like you tell me I need to get a collie instead of her Malinois , just because I told her my wife was a little intimidated by very large dogs . She , Like you asomich , are doing this breed a great disservice by thinking yourself , the police force , and the Marines... the only ones who can control and deserve this breed . I've met several great breeders so far , but there defintely does seem to be a large number of Belgian Malinois breeders out there who think it's fun to jump down anyone's throat who even considers their breed as a pet . I've trained Dogs my whole life , I had a Kennel for Rotweilers for years and years , I've trained Pit bulls , Bull Terriers , French Bull dogs , and many , many more breeds in my life . I grew up around Dog training , my dad for 25 years was known as the best breeder/ trainer of Bird hunting dogs for miles around . The breeder I'm talking about didn't even get to all that , she based everything on about 2 sentences . She didn't even get to the part where I had 11 acres with just my wife and myself , and a ton of experience with dogs . Just because I mentioned that my wife might have questions about getting a Belgian Malinois , she claimed that " some disreputable Breeder " would probably sell me one ... but not her !! Seriously guys , if you really do care about your breed , some of you guys need to learn how to treat newcomers wiith questions , and leave your ego of thinking you're the only one on earth who can handle this dog to yourself ! All you have to do is go to Youtube , punch in Belgian Malinois , and you'll see about a thousand videos of Bozos trying to get 8 week old Belgians to attack them . Is this really all you guys want your breed to be known for ?