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by ombresvaleureux on 19 April 2011 - 13:04
I guess there's a limit to how much one can type in a post??? Truncated 1/2 my post..didn't know..hopefully makes sense anyways.
by MAINLYMAX on 24 April 2011 - 21:04
Lots of good foundations dogs in this pedigree
Lets take a look at the grandparents....
Asstra... that was a very good litter she came out of ....legendary... the best Joe farms every produced.
Master...I wish Johnathan would breed back to him with a good Stone bitch.
He would be suitable with a hard dutch as well or NVBk bitch.....very good dog.
Jason.... extremely good dog...I would have love it if Brigit went back to a good
NVBK dog with him. Joefarm was NVBK but Asstra was the only bitch Jason was bred to.
I would have liked to see more Debber in his offspring.
Woppy.....Ass kicking German line .... I have Clip Vom Roten Falken in my bitches
and would not take that out for anything.
But putting them together.....the only thing I would be concerned about is the sharpness
may be more dog than you can handle.
This is where the breeder is the absolute best advisor.
This looks very good , lot of great dogs.
Foot note on Jason...this dog I think was not only a great dog but a very good producer.
Lets take a look at the grandparents....
Asstra... that was a very good litter she came out of ....legendary... the best Joe farms every produced.
Master...I wish Johnathan would breed back to him with a good Stone bitch.
He would be suitable with a hard dutch as well or NVBk bitch.....very good dog.
Jason.... extremely good dog...I would have love it if Brigit went back to a good
NVBK dog with him. Joefarm was NVBK but Asstra was the only bitch Jason was bred to.
I would have liked to see more Debber in his offspring.
Woppy.....Ass kicking German line .... I have Clip Vom Roten Falken in my bitches
and would not take that out for anything.
But putting them together.....the only thing I would be concerned about is the sharpness
may be more dog than you can handle.
This is where the breeder is the absolute best advisor.
This looks very good , lot of great dogs.
Foot note on Jason...this dog I think was not only a great dog but a very good producer.
by ultramal on 20 June 2011 - 21:06
Just a small correction on 'Jason'...he was bred multiple times....3X to 2 outside bitches...3X to 'Asstra'...what I considered my 'golden cross'...and 3X to Nedji du bois des Trembles...his son Qain (Jason X Asstra) works like an nvbk dog (pushing to the tonsils and incredible hard strikes and entries...a very 'physical' dog...and you're right lol....the door is always open to the 'right' nvbk line ;) I also agree that Asstra's litter/line was probably the best JF has produced. Those old foundation lines....hard to beat.
Also just an FYI to some of the posts...Nelija (Alice) is a littermate to Qain. Alice was an incredible working dog and from what I understand has produced superb progeny. That entire litter was incredible. Littermates: Molly went as a breeding bitch and according to owner produced hard dogs; Cody was owned by an individual in the US...was too hard a dog...according to first owner he became afraid of him...from there he went to another owner in the US with the same result....he finally ended up in the prison system and is their best dog...even the criminals don't want to mess around when this dog is on patrol...Sully went to Florida and before we lost touch he was outstanding in ScH and was looking also to train as a PSD...Bullet went to the US and was too hard for the owner to handle in training and ended up retiring early and became his main stud dog...and then there was Qain...who was also retired early as nobody could 'catch him' and it became too risky for the decoys/helpers as well the dog....Just some info on 'Alice's' littermates...it's a strong line. Good Luck!
Also just an FYI to some of the posts...Nelija (Alice) is a littermate to Qain. Alice was an incredible working dog and from what I understand has produced superb progeny. That entire litter was incredible. Littermates: Molly went as a breeding bitch and according to owner produced hard dogs; Cody was owned by an individual in the US...was too hard a dog...according to first owner he became afraid of him...from there he went to another owner in the US with the same result....he finally ended up in the prison system and is their best dog...even the criminals don't want to mess around when this dog is on patrol...Sully went to Florida and before we lost touch he was outstanding in ScH and was looking also to train as a PSD...Bullet went to the US and was too hard for the owner to handle in training and ended up retiring early and became his main stud dog...and then there was Qain...who was also retired early as nobody could 'catch him' and it became too risky for the decoys/helpers as well the dog....Just some info on 'Alice's' littermates...it's a strong line. Good Luck!
by Mr Tim on 22 June 2011 - 01:06
Debbie, the video of the 7 week old pups look great. D'only is the nicest producing Master son so far. I heard Juice also had a nice litter but D'Only really looks special. At least there are good Master sons on the east and west coast, hopefully the Midwest will see one soon. Send me a male Debbie :)
by Mal07 on 23 June 2011 - 15:06
I have a son out of Alice and is a incredible dog. Exactly what you said about jason and asstra cross. They are very physical and pushing/crushing grips but also pick up on differents skills at a insane rate of speed.
Ultramal- What would you think of doing a line breeding on Jason and asstra or even a line breeding on alice?
Ultramal- What would you think of doing a line breeding on Jason and asstra or even a line breeding on alice?
by Mal07 on 23 June 2011 - 15:06
Does anyone else have any thoughts on this line breeding?
by maliman on 25 June 2011 - 04:06
whos doing the breeding?
by Mal07 on 25 June 2011 - 16:06
I am...
by Duderino on 25 June 2011 - 18:06
Are you talking about a line breeding or an inbreeding?
by Mal07 on 25 June 2011 - 18:06
Line breeding.
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