Working Dog Lines - Page 1

I would be interested in getting input into what people think are the best working lines available today...and also about the "Golden Middle"...does it exist or is it a myth?

Are you interested in just west working lines or DDR and Czech Lines as well?

HI, I think the golden middle is attanable. For dogs with great drive and powerful barking and strong grips in protection and something that may not V1 but would be a suitable V dog it is possible. I did what most feel is diluting both sides. I took a very strong V rated female with lots of red and looks, and bred her to a Quasy son. I got a litter of good looking strong character, genetic grips/big barking dogs. I planned on keeping one back but have 3 right now that i am having trouble picking who stays. I also want them to go to working homes and that is harder to find with this kind of mix. The working people say - yek show dog - and the show people say - yek will be ugly - of course not knowing the outcome. I am happy with what I see from them. Maybe it was just this specific combination that worked as i know of a prior combination of this pedigree combination was 34x SchH 3, at the Nationals 3 times and the Worlds twice. Pretty good as far as I am concerned. So having these bloodlines available i gave it a shot and am very happy with what has been produced.

Hi Bob, interesting question. The best working dog kennels would depend on your definition of what "the best" means to you. Does the best mean the most participants and winners in the BSP? If so, there is a website (maybe this one) with a list of the number of BSP participants and winners by kennel. I'm not sure if there is one for the WUSV. No dog is perfect. There is always something that can be improved upon. I'm curious as to how many BSP winners or top finishers are concidered "golden middle" dogs? Some kennels list their philosophy as to breeding working dogs on their website i.e. Tiekerhook, Mainieche and Schmiedegarten. I also happen to like those kennels. I hope you find your answer. Kyle

Quest Farms I am so interested in seeing pictures of these dogs you have produced, would you be so kind and post a few for us? This is such an interesting and important topic. What are the lines you used exactly? Thanks

I have a Nick Heiligenbosch son who's mother is Doxa v Tiekerhook...I have mated him twice and they are very very slow maturing...actually I have 2 of his progeny here...one female and one male...the females matured much quicker for work where as the males are just maturing...but I also think that the females show more nerve...I mated him with a Macho Kosakenwald daughter...the Nick son is very much laid back where as the Macho daughter is a little nervy...I am trying to find a good match for my Nick son to mate him with.

Hello everyone. About golden Middle. I had a dog who was a mix of working and show lines, and she was the hardest, eagerest, smartest dog you can imagine. One person dog. VERY protective of me, reserved, but nice with strangers. Absolutely fearless, would chase a ball in any conditions forever. She passed courage test after just 3 training sessions. I can go on and on. She was my first dog, she was advertised as a show puppy when I bought her, and I genuinely believed that most GSDs are just such. I could not believe when I heard that some dogs did not pass a gun test. I have two pure working line dogs right now and they are nice in their own way, but they are no match for her. As for her conformation, she wouldn’t get high V, but was much nicer than some working dogs I see out there now. Her mother was from Scandinavian working dogs, and her father was Uran’s descendant. So about the "Golden Middle" – it does exist. I cannot believe I didn’t keep any puppies from her. I have to say that in both litters that she had (mated with show male) she resembled her strong character in 3 puppies from her 1st litter and only 1 puppy from the second litter. So always look at each puppy individually. Never think that each puppy of the litter is some kind of middle between its parents. A puppy can be more like father, or more like mother, or more like grandfather. Quest Farms, I am very grateful to you for taking a chance and doing what is not very popular, but I believe is very necessary. I plan to do similar breedings, and I am very interested to see your results and to share mine. I think any show breeder should have a mix female who (if mated with a good show male) will pass on her character and good looks from the father.

One of my first "working line" GSD's was a DDR...with DDR papers...he had a large head with very dark pigmentation (bi-color)...I have always been impressed with the DDR dogs...but I just returned from Germany and seeing the Bundessieger...and there were posters up everywhere advertising puppies...some from DDR lines...I was discussing this with some Germans and their impression is that the DDR dogs pass on their big heads and dark pigmentation but that the West German dogs possess better working ability...I think I'd be interested in breeding the two and seeing how that comes out...maybe find a happy middle of that sorts too...

Bob if you are into pedigrees. I just bred my Olix von den Wannaer Hohen bitch (Kylie vom Schmiedegarten) to a Nick son (Dino von der Maineiche). Sometimes things are worth waiting for. I wonder if Nick has anything to do with the pups that are slow to mature? I like the blocky heads of the DDR dogs. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I also think that breeding females should be the strongest possible example you can find. Between the pair which one is more responsible for nurturing, correcting and guiding? Albeit it is only for 7 to 8 weeks, but some say it is the most important time period. Just my two cents