I am sorry for MY Bad Language and Behavior - Page 6

Hey Nate! Congrats on your excellent showing at your club trial! Debby

grauerschaeferhund wrote: "When I agreed withyou in an earlier post, I did not realize you were bashing Tim. My agreeing with you,was referred to LuvCzechDogz and Mike Russel." So you don't agree with those that have been around a while pointing out when someone is a liar and fraud? No wonder there are so many people getting ripped off in the GSD world! Tim was not being "bashed" but rather called on his lies and lack of character.

Mike Russel wrote: So you don't agree with those that have been around a while pointing out when someone is a liar and fraud? No wonder there are so many people getting ripped off in the GSD world! Tim was not being "bashed" but rather called on his lies and lack of character. So what makes you think that I havent been around for a while? We all have skeletons in the closet. Some more than others.I am from the old country (real German) so I of all people know what has been going on in this business. I can throw some famous names in the Schutzhund world who have ripped me and others off here in the states and in Europe. If you want to expose fraudulant Schutzhund people, I am sure there is more names we can add. Why dont you people look in the mirror once in a while?

Go for it and if they've made fraudulent claims about their experience, then even more reason to out them...if you've got the balls to do it. Nobody is going to police the community for us, we must do it ourselves! BTW, where a person is from doesn't give any credence to their reputation or what they may or may not know.

WHAT EVER!

I forgot, they where just better in covering it up then others!

Gentlemen... the real issue is this - there are ways to check out if someone has done what they claim to have achieved. Mr. Helser is a good example for me to use, as it is a current topic. I don't know the man, haven't trained with him, and have had no business with him. My posts weren't "bashing". My posts asked the reader to THINK about what was being said. Use some simple logic. He claimed - OK, let's say A PERSON claimed (lest I be accused of 'bashing Tim') - to have competed at a national level. When pressed, turns out it was a BH. That's not logical. Easy ways to check it out. Google search the results. A person claims to have failed the said BH because of gun aggression. Well, there are no longer gunshots in the BH routine, and it simply doesn't make sense that the AWDF championship would be held in a neighborhood so dangerous that there is open gunfire in the middle of the day. Questionable excuse at best, but lets say, OK, freak accidents happen - maybe some psycho visited the neighborhood and started shooting at pigeons - or whatever. Still this is not an excuse because a BH is basic obedience and a well trained dog should have already been exposed to gunshots (after all, a SchH1 follows a B, right, and there are gunshots in the first 20 paces of the routine!?) and this issue should have been addressed prior to entering, or a person should have not entered. It's not like his dog sat crooked or did a down out of motion instead of a sit out of motion. Gun aggression is something that shouldn't be a suprise on trial day. The signs would have been there. This isn't bashing, in my opinion, it's showing that you should not blindly believe whatever credentials are presented to you. Don't be wowed by talk of "The Nationals" or "The World Team". Sure - if someone's been there - WOW! But check it out. Most of the people who are currently competing at that level have been around for a while and are well known. They have worked their tails off getting there, and for someone to falsely advertise having achieved the same level is just a bit of an insult to those who have...not to mention unethical. Also, bad behavior isn't acceptable, no matter where you're from, and what you've achieved. If you're going to have a SchH club - and advertise it, as Helser does - you have a responsibility to show good sportsmanship and always behave in a manner that is a BENEFIT to the sport, the organization, and breed. I would have written the same thing about anyone else who had authored the post which started all of this hype, and has obviously made the false claims that he has. It's not personal. I treat all the bad guys the same way.

Thanks, Debby/djc! It was a good weekend for me and ole' Stuka vom Enckhausen. He's a good boy. He ate well that night! hahaha Nate

Lyle's club offered a BH at their club field a day before the 05 AWDF. This was at the time the rules were being changed, and it is possible, that gun fire was used at this BH. To be honest I was there, but I don't remember.

The rule changes regarding the gunshots being taken out of the BH - according to my rulebook - became effective January 1, 2004, and were to be implemented in their entirety no later than March 01, 2004. The 2005 AWDF took place April 1-3 (2005 of course), and the BH in question was a day prior. Gunshots would not have been in the routine over a year after the rule changes were effective.