I am sorry for MY Bad Language and Behavior - Page 2

"Over the years, I've seen more than my share of professional dog people with quick tempers--whose lack of restraint may flow over to their dog training practices, their helper work, and their relationships with clients." My experience as well. They fly off the handle and get abusive with a handler or client, say sorry when they think there might be repercussions that may affect their income, and then the next thing you know, they are whaling on some poor dog or getting abusive with the next person when they have a bad day or their ego gets bruised. I'm not saying this is the case in every situation. Things can get heated up, frustrations run high, BUT as someone who is constantly advertising that their club has a family atmosphere, is free of politics, and so on (just re-read many of his previous posts about his club), this was a scary second side. Everyone knows how to talk a good game - but can they actually live it? ALSO, if someone is claiming to be a club director of EITHER a WDA or USA club, I believe there is a moral responsibility to behave in an appropriate manner. You are in the public eye and are representing the sport even MORE then Joe Handler with his Club Dog (who ALSO represents the sport and must be responsible for his actions too!). I sincerely hope that the leaders in USA and the WDA are starting to take note of how bad these types of behaviors make our organizations look - whether they are followed by a public apology or not. Yes, I do appreciate the apology, but it should have never gotten to the point that you needed to make one. We need to police ourselves and pressure the organizations to take action. There needs to be zero tolerance and consequences for things like this, not just letting them be swept under the rug.

Well it need's to start from the top and work there way down.

Sorry, disagree. Strongly. If you have to wait to model your behaviour after someone else who may or may not finally step up to the plate to set a good example, its too late. You as an individual are responsible and obligated to behave appropriately. You all know how its done, its just a matter of choice to actually do it. Regardless of how much bullying may go on around you. Everything else is a free for all recipe for anarchy and chaos and violence. Or an excuse, and we have seen enough of those, haven't we. Nice spelling BTW.

You guys all sound like a bunch of five year olds!! Lighten up already! It's not like you guys haven't heard bad language before (or your kids for that matter). I'm not saying it was justified, but quit acting like somebody just walked up and slapped your mom or something. Stop making a big deal about almost every topic on this board. How would you guys like it if everytime you posted something on a public forum you get ganged up on and bashed senseless? Or better yet have your family insulted and your safety threatened! I think I would be quite upset too. As for Tim's frustration with you people carrying over to his dogs, it's not that way at all. He knows how dogs think and work, so it's not at all frustrating to him. It's all the drama queens on this board that make him mad. It's when somebody badmouths him and everybody else agrees with that person without any reason to. If anybody has a problem with somebody else, tell everyone why - don't just say "trust me" to make people believe you. I've seen Tim's public apology, now how about the other people involved? Let's just get over it and move on...

What he calls badmouthing I call people sharing what he's said and done to them. This site is for sharing of information....good or bad, it's a two way road. I know he wants to restrict that and have it so only people who believe his bull can make posts but that dang freedom of speech thing just sucks. Seems when you try and fraud some people they wanna pipe up when they see it happening to others. He probably doesn't like it when people call him on things. You see, when you're making claims about being a Master Trainer who's competed at World and National Events, and then people point out you've never shown a dog, that complicates things. He's made his bed in a lot of ways and now it's time to lie in it. As for "five year old behavior", we weren't the ones that laid down on the floor pounding our fists and screaming obscenities at everyone throwing a temper tantrum on the internet. I never mentioned his family, but I sure got the filth laden response. I care about my organization, and my breed. He's bad for both and I don't care that he feels picked on when people warn others.

Well said grimmdog. Looking at the bigger picture here, I don't understand why this should be minimized simply because we have all heard bad language before. All the pro sports have penalties and fines, suspensions, etc, for unsportsmanlike conduct. Is it because the fans haven't heard bad language? If you talk to your boss that way at your job you might just get fired. Is it because he hasn't heard bad language? This is about people in a public position and in a public situation having the self control and ethics to behave in an appropriate way. I am a member of USA and I find it highly offensive that someone who repeatedly advertises having a USA registered kennel and being approved for affiliate USA club status can act this way. Having a club should be a privilege, not a right. It brings with it responsibility, not the least of which is behaving in a way that is for the betterment of the breed and sport. Getting angry and publicly posting that filth for everyone to read is unacceptable. I have always felt that whatever happens in public is usually worse in private, but based on his outbursts on this site, I pity the people who are unfortunate enough to have to deal with this man in a club or training situation. I hope they realize that there IS a better way to train than being bullied and that it IS possible to go to a club and be treated with respect. I have not trained with this individual, but from what I have read here - posted by the man himself (NOT by those who critcize him) - is enough to make me run in the opposite direction.

Hey all, maybe this is a topic for a new thread, but definately relates to some recent situations in the sport, including the one in this thread. How about if we all put our heads together and discuss procedures that the various organizations - USA, WDA, DVG, SV, AKC, etc etc (ANY dogsport or breeding organization, basically) - have for handling problems. This can be about registration/papers, unsportsmanlike conduct, cheating at a trial - PROBLEMS. I would assume that most of these organizations have boards of inquiry, but I would also assume that they have rules about how to bring things to their attention. Sometimes people get away with things simply because no one knows the path to get things addressed in a way that counts. If you know and post the rules for any of these organizations, and there is a link that people can save for reference, please list it. I think the majority of people in this sport are hoping that we can start to clean it up. Educating people about official ways to deal with problems is one small step in the right direction.

Please tell me you're not trying to use Mr. Helser as a poster boy or scapegoat to set up a rules and regu- lations committee. I can't even imagine how he must feel, being portrayed in such a disreputable manor. If this thread is being based on the one from two day's ago when Mr. Helser used profane language, then I have to say something: I'm sorry, Tim. I knew those posts were totally over the top---exposing your private life. That was the true crime, and I should have said so then. Yes, obscene language is inappropriate. No question. But, priorities need to be adjusted here. I didn't stay up all night because Mr Helser responded to attacks with bad language; but, I have lost many a night's sleep over ill-treated animals. Anyway, the man apologized. End of story for me.

The man is a self proclaimed Master trainer. To back this up he furnishes a resume that is so completely chocked full of BS that he has to deny ever sending it when it comes under attack. He claims to have shown at National and World events, how ever there is no record. I'm not able to find a single dog he has shown with or titled. He brags about being an entry level club helper. That means he was sent a helper book. He brags he heads various organizations.... that consist of him and his son. He claims to be a knowledgeable and able trainer and helper, but I watched a video on his website catching a dog from about 20 yards that he went straight to the ground after a horrible impact that could've seriously injured the dog. I don't know what was worse about that....the fact that his helper work is that bad, or that he thought it looked so impressive it had to be put on the site. He claims to support his training ability by touting he has the most trained GSD in the world. Which, coincidentally he imported that way, already trained. The dog also is purported to have been funded by another woman who never received the dog and is seeking to get him. We have been contacted by this woman. I personally trained a dog for a woman that said he blew up on her on the phone in a maniacal tirade so bad she threatened him with an attorney should he ever call back. He promptly threatened her with an attorney also, if she ever spoke badly of him. He bragged on sponsoring trophies for the AWDF that as of trial time he never sent the check for. He "purchased" a dog from a friend of mine that later had to be repossessed for lack of any payments. He accepted money from someone else I know for training that was never done and had to be given up on. He was told "sue me." He has "quotes by Timothy Helser" on his site that go back to motivational speakers and a Lynyrd Skynyrd song. But claiming others work or accomplishments is not new to him. He plagiarized an entire paragraph description of training offered that I did for a website, as his own, and refused to respond to me when I emailed him about it because "the staff of SPD K9 don't respond to free email accounts." etc., etc. Only in a world this twisted could he be portrayed as a poor innocent victim, seen in an unfair and disreputable light. I'd argue that he indeed, is a poster child for oversight and intervention.

First things first: "Please tell me you're not trying to use Mr. Helser as a poster boy or scapegoat to set up a rules and regu- lations committee." No, I am trying to educate the members of the various organizations about the rules and regulations of their organization, what is tolerated, what is not, and how to PRESS CHARGES if someone is completely out of line. Every organization has a board of inquiry ALREADY IN PLACE. Most people don't know how and when to use it. That needs to change. I am NOT refering only to "Mr. Helser", but to anyone in the sport that is severely out of line. If you think back to the posts, one person (LuvsCzechDogs) was completely inappropriate about Helser's family. Yes, out of line, no question about it. Mr. Helser's response repeatedly was directed at the ENTIRE messageboard, therefore directed the entire dog community that happened to suffer the misfortune of being trapped into reading his obscenities by the sheer misfortune of being online at the wrong time. It sounded like the 2 of them had a deal gone bad, but why did the posts then become directed at everyone????And what makes anyone in their right mind think that kind of langauge and behavior should be tolerated? There's that old addage..."Two wrongs don't make a right." Now, reading grimmdog's post, this raises yet another issue that people who have been around see all too often, and I applaud grimmdog for bringing this up. ANYONE can claim to be an expert master certified national world trainer with 30 years of experience. ANYONE. That's why it is wise, when choosing a club or trainer, to do a google search for starters. Trial results DO come up. Then check with USA, WDA, etc - see if the helper is certified or has a helper book. Look thru results of national competitions. See if there is any record of what they claim to have accomplished. There is a list on the USA website of sportsmedal winners, SchH3 club members, and so on. It's easy enough to check. I'm not saying that if someone HASN'T achieved any of that, that they are a bad trainer. I AM saying that if they claim to have done amazing things, and haven't, then it's better to find out BEFORE you start training with them, than after. As gets said on the board all the time - DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Espeially when someone is repeatedly soliciting business. Not only Mr. Helser - so I'm NOT picking on him...