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by EchoMeadows on 31 May 2006 - 07:05

I am fairly new to the German Shepherd Breeding Community, I openly admit that. However I have goaled myself to set some very strict standards for our breeding program, Not that I think all should, It's just what is right for me. I just heard of a breeder who refused to take a puppy that was sold back, the purchaser did not ask for the money back, just wanted to return the dog as they felt they had ill timed they're purchase, (by the way it was within a few weeks of the purchase ) This breeder refused, Now the good thing is the people did keep the dog and it did not end up in the wrong hands or in a shelter somewhere, But my question is does this really happen that often ? I mean is this truly responsible breeding practice ? Is this even acceptable practice for AKC Breeding ? I am very disturbed about hearing this, Maybe I should not let it bother me I guess it's the breeders choice, But honestly it really does bother me a whole lot, Makes me think this breeder is only in it for the money and once they're gone they're gone and they don't care about the future of that puppy anymore. Thoughts would be much appreciated. Not here to bash anyone that is why there is no mention of who the breeder is, so please don't ask, I am just looking for some justification for what I am feeling I guess and if there is none then I will have to get over it and accept that it's just my feeling. Thanks Mitch

by shostring on 31 May 2006 - 07:05

hallo echomeadows yes it is sad when things dont work out for the puppy but it is up to each breeder wither thay take the puppy back or not i do if this happens i will take any dog that i have breed regardless of its age it could be 9 weeks or 9 years i breed the dog so i must take responsiblity for that dog it did not ask to be born it is down to being a good responsible breeder or to hell with it i just want the money and i am afraid that thair are to many breeders out thair that just want the money you sound like a very caring person and you will know what kind of breeder you want to be glad everything worked out for the pup and good luck

by snapdragon on 31 May 2006 - 10:05

Echomeadow I know that a majority of good breeders would take their puppies back regardless of how old they are. It's a shame that some don't but there will always be those that only breed and want no responsibility after the pup has left. Luckily this little one has a good home and things have sorted themselves out.

by triodegirl on 31 May 2006 - 11:05

Don't mean to be rude, but are you really naive enough to think most breeders aren't in it for the money? I'm sure there are a few kind souls (like yourself) who really care about the animals, but not many. I could never be a breeder as I'd have 30 dogs living in my house while I slept outside on a cold, hard slab of cement.

by SGBH on 31 May 2006 - 13:05

This is the one reason I look for reasons NOT to sell a puppy to a person. No situation is guarenteed, but I look for one time placements for the puppies. I also run a waiting list and do not breed until the waiting list is full. The people on that list(I hope) really wants one of those puppies. I do not breed, and THEN try to find suitable homes for the puppies. The litter is sold before the breeding occurs. I look for college degrees or long term employeement(that tells me the person has a history of finishing what they start). Home ownership is a must(if you are renting, that tells me your life is not stable). I look for previous pet ownership and if you stayed with the dog for it's lifetime or got rid of it and why. There are many questions you can ask to minimize a wrong placement and help make a "one time" placement of the puppy. Although death, divorce, alergies, ect. can affect the overall outcome, it is better to TRY and make a one time placement rather than just sell for money and hope for the best. I recently declined to sell to a young lady that graduated from college in Nevada, and was still living at home with her parents. Although eventually I think she would make a good steward, I thought she needed time to get herself established and stable. I told her to call me back in 2 years. She did not like my answer, but who cares, I sleep good at night. Stephen

by EchoMeadows on 31 May 2006 - 15:05

Thank You all so Very much for all of your input and responses, You have definately validated what I had been feeling and it's nice to know that from the sounds of it this is not a common practice. Thank You Thank You !

by EDD in Afgan on 31 May 2006 - 19:05

This is probably the first time I have heard of someone makeing a bad choice and not wanting their money back. That is admirable. As a breeder I would have taken the dog back. I have had to re-home two dogs. One was due to divorce and the other was due to a unforseen forced transfer out of state. So things do happen but these dogs where older. Owning a puppy is a huge responsibility. So is being a responsible breeder.

by makolady on 31 May 2006 - 21:05

I would think any responsible breeder would take back any puppy that they bred. I do not know if this situation arises very often, but the breeder is lucky the person offered the dog back. Most people take the dog to the shelter and drop it off. I ask the buyers of my puppies to inform me first if there is any reason they cannot keep the puppy. I would take the puppy back and try to place it in another home. If the person is not asking for a refund I would think there would be no problem.

by Martin Donaldson on 31 May 2006 - 21:05

Come on now people. I have sold puppies and took them back when the new owner had a, b, c etc problems. I have had puppies come back that has been exposed to coccidiosis by the new owners and they wiped out several litters over the years. They never tell you to after the fact, by the way if ever. I had others come back that had been exposed to parvo by the new owners, this wiped out litters too. I have taken dogs back that had contagious scarcoptoc mange and it spread to many of the dogs. Taken stud fee puppies and they had something and contaminated the others. Lets get real on the namby pamby, kindler, gentler world here. When a puppy or leaves your premises you have no control of where it goes and what the new owner does with it. Willingly and blindly taking puppies or dogs back is not good management practice. Who knows what it has been exposed to and where. Check with livestock breeders, other dog breeders even cat breeders, once it leaves it does not come back. Ever heard of a closed kennel, puppies seen by appointment only to reduce chance of contamination? Ever had someone interview for acquiring a puppy, tell you they already looked at other litters that same day? A few puppies get contaminated and die, you'll change your views on "take them back". Animal Rights people, push, take them all back no mater what and push that, cruel money hungry breeders wont take them back. Imagine party A buying a pup, showing it off to their best friend, party B who just got a pup. They set up a play date and let them play. A week later party B tell party A, watch your puppy, mine just died of parvo, turns out the whole litter party B got their pup from is sick with parvo or dying, party B's seller claims they got it at the veterinary clinic when the litter got wormed and puppy shots. Party A scared that they'll lose all the money they paid for their pup, takes it to the breeder / seller and demands / requests a refund, because of some fill in the blank reason, no mention of party B. Well the breeder / seller willfully takes back the puppy and puts it in a pen with its littermates.

by Martin Donaldson on 31 May 2006 - 21:05

Several of these puppies are sold and shipping out in a few day. They get health certificates and fly by airline to new owners, others are sold locally as pets. Including the "take back pup". Suddenly the new owner to the take back puupy calls a few days later, their puppy, you sold them is at the vets, it died because it had parvo. What went wrong where did it get parvo. Next thing you know another litter you have is suddenly sick and dying, other people are calling you because their puppies are dying and infected other puppies in their homes, so puppies of their own breedings are getting sick too and some eventually die. You refund monies, replace puppies and you loose 2 other litters in your own home, buyers have lost litters too. To make it worse, party A calls looking for another new puppy, asks about their old one. You know something is up. You ask them "why?" They didn't want it when they had it before. They then tell you their best friend party B, had a puppy die of parvo and they played together before party b's puppy died. You are boiling mad, what can you do? You willingly and willfully took the puppy back. Then you adopt a no return ever policy, because you have lost everything and then some, with this experience. Yet, you get called unscrupulous and money hungry. The opposite is true, refusing to take puppies back is the best and safest management practice you can do. Regardless of whose feelings you hurt. Those involved or on the outside looking in. Having been burned by taking puppies and dogs back, once it leaves it never comes back. At least in the real life actually happened scenario mentioned above, party A called and confirmed the problem arose from them, most never do and feel no remorse about it either. Several breeders here can relate to taking puppies or dogs back and contaminating other puppies, litters and dogs. Ask around a bit and you will see. Martin





 


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