What is the definition of American Bred? - Page 6

animules, Fraud is exactly what it is when someone deceives the facts. Imagine how horrible the future picture: of the five (plus) pups registered that are perhaps improperly registered, the money to buy them (several thousands of $$$), then the money to promote and title them (again several thousands of $$$ plus heart and soul committment), then the breeding (as I am aware that is already happening)and puppies sold to others. And then somehow the fraud is exposed (and it will be because all it takes is one conscience, one email, one person with a soul). Then the dogs and their progeny are disqualified from AKC. So MANY innocent victims! Sad, Horrific, financial loses, personal loses and all because of a selfish fraudulent act by one Kennel and his "friend". I apoligize for bringing this to the database board, I misunderstood your purpose. I cut and pasted the topic from my email. I understood his querry. I did not disclose the people involved as this is NOT my problem. I truly hope that this "fraud" does not effect you or any of my friends. I gave the owner of the female the number to the AKC and urged them to tell the TRUTH. I can only hope that they do this soon. Please do not shoot the messenger. If this all comes to light in the future, just remember your role in denial. I am on record as warning you all.

Kathy.. What can I say.....You were less than totally honest with your first few posts on their purpose. You had about a dozen people confused and mislead and we were all trying to be helpful to you. Just my thoughts. Have a good day.

DesertRangers I am safe and enjoying my dogs. I came here to warn you. I can only hope that you are not one of the ones caught in this in the future. Good luck

DesertRangers, just as in the desert storm the sand compromised the highly technological equipment, these nuisances will try to compromise the integrity of the breed. Trust that I do not need your help and hope that you also have a good day....

Another long thread that makes no point and going nowhere.

What you are describing is out of the rules of BOTH registries!!!! It really is a "gray area"!!! A litter cannot be registered to an American kennel in Germany, only to an SV registered kennel. It cannot be registered wtih the SV if the owner does not have an SV registered kennel in GERMANY. AKC registers dogs with registered parents from any country irregardless of "kennel name" and does not require either a registered kennel name and membership. You do not not need to be a member of any breed club or registry to apply for a litter registration with AKC. You do not need anything other than the owner of the sire signed the litter application that you send in. If a litter here or there is born on foreign soil, is owned by an American, and if dam is registered AKC, then I think that AKC papers are the ONLY option. I do not think there is any intent to defraud anyone....this is the only way to register this litter IMO.

Kathy P: If I'm not mistaken, you wrote about this topic "to death" on the green board under the name PK or PK Shepherds before they kicked you off of their for your behavior. From the posts, you have many people wondering what on Earth your point is.

philsgsd, I see that you recently signed on to ask this question, feel free to email me privately my email(unlike yours') is available. I don't believe that there were many writings from me but I do agree that it drew a lot of attention. I questioned the classes at the NASS since I had sponsored some of the trophies and was asked what the definition and prerequisite was for the award. I had no answer and apparently no one else had a clearly structured one either. This caused much reaction and defense. And I was "kicked off" because of private emails to Kerry apparently by her own statement "the owner" because we surely did not agree and by her own words "it is her board". I still have the emails and would be very happy to share them with you. I had not been to this "green board" until March of 2005 when an acquaintance encouraged me to go there. Wasn't there long before we agreed it was not a venue for me. I can honestly say that I feel no loss in not visiting it since. (oh and philsgsd, it was ppk shepherds) take care

Oh and philsgsd, in hindsight, I probable should have rewrote the question instead of the cut and paste shortcut that I used (it would appear that many have cut and pasted this question since it started). But again, I would be very happy to share some of the emails that I received on the matter and even some of the questions that were asked of me as to what qualifies for Am Bred.

Hi Kathy, I'm not on the green board anymore either; I asked to be unsubed. Good to hear from you again. Blitzen