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denissoldan

by denissoldan on 25 August 2019 - 20:08


by ValK on 26 August 2019 - 00:08

nice dog. seems has reckless type of character, which for attack dog is good trait.
wish he had bit stronger build and was trained to fight not sleeve but opponent.

on side note: really, i would prefer hear the dog instead of Brian Johnson.
BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 26 August 2019 - 20:08

 

Why using a whip ? I see this too much today

by ValK on 27 August 2019 - 14:08

i guess whip is just to add cool look to videos.
after all it's only a sale pitch, promo.
not really much matter. good dog will remain a good dog
regardless of tools been used.


by apple on 27 August 2019 - 16:08

The whip is used to stimulate either prey or defense drive, depending on how it is used and the drive package of the dog. But is a false economy so to speak. It may initially make the dog appear to be fantastic, but does not live up to its expectations. In sport and real life, there are not people cracking whips. So what happens in a trial or a real scenario when the whip is not there? Undoubtedly, some conditioning can take place, but I think it does more harm than good. How can a dog learn when he is literally whipped into a frenzy. IMO, the whip is the wonderbra of the dog world.
emoryg

by emoryg on 27 August 2019 - 16:08

In the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable helper, the whip can be an invaluable tool. This is especially true when training the police dog.

by apple on 27 August 2019 - 16:08

I think with a police dog the whip can be used as a weapon on the dog to teach the dog some people are a danger to him and can injure him and he has learn this and fight through it.
BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 27 August 2019 - 20:08

 


Personal I hate whips to bring a dog in drive I see this mostly at the IPO sleeve trainers today
I have never ever used this tool,when the dog lack in drives I will replace the dog immediately
I like natural ,not fake flashy look the dog better than he realy is

I don,t know the trainer and the dog only a observation from a video maybe I,m wrong

some  times people use a whip ,when the dog don,t realy need this tool .

And why they call this protection ...it ISN,T

 


by ValK on 27 August 2019 - 20:08

this dog did demonstrate pretty much natural behavior. at least for me.
fight for sleeve isn't his fault. blame the trainer, who have fixed that dog on the sleeve.
emoryg

by emoryg on 27 August 2019 - 23:08

Looks like a nice dog from good blood.  I doubt he needs a whip. 

The whip can stimulate a dog to very high levels.  This can be used to help maintain control of the police dog during training and can have an effect on the control during actual use.

Two of the more difficult things to maintain on the police dog is the release of the actual criminal (I don’t use out, I call back to heel position) and the other is the call-off/recall from the criminal.  Most of the time on the release, the criminal is already on the ground or will be taken to the ground by the police dog. (I can only think of one time where the dog was not successful in taking the criminal to the ground.)  In training or certification the decoy is standing and assumes a neutral posture that aids in the release exercise.  On real criminals, they are never still. The only two I ever had lay still consisted of one with a self inflicted shot to the head, the other was in a casket.  No one tells you that the funeral homes leave open caskets out in the viewing rooms over night.  You learn the hard way while clearing the building with the dog. 

There is a lot of excitement on the actual bite that makes it difficult on the dog, so creating extra stimulus with the whip, or having the helper fight the dog on the ground while conducting the release may help on their street performance.  The criminals scream, yell, punch, kick, rip, tear, wet their pants, sometimes worse, etc.  When you have a dog that lives for that confrontation and wishes to dominate his opponent through aggressive behaviors, it can be quite the task getting the dog to let go.  Look at how many dogs on TV have to be physically removed and most are holding on with just their front teeth.  That makes me nauseous.  Almost as much as the dog needing the help of 2, 3 or more officers to establish control of some thug.  Sad state of the police dog.   

Back to the whip.  Again, you can load a dog on the practice bite to get a higher level of control in training so that he is accustomed to more excitement when the real bites come.  Another area the whip is used is on recall.  Eventually the proximity clause will work against you and once the safety mechanism is removed (during initial training the dog is NEVER allowed to have the bite if the recall command is given, so there is a physical barrier like a door or a gate that can be closed.  My recall is just an extension of the call back to heel after the bite.  During training, when the dog returns to heel, he is sent again for another bite.  Same with recall training.  He comes back, he goes again and is allowed to bite.  A bit more than that, but that’s the jist.)  once the safety net like the door or gate is removed the dog now has open access to the bite.  Hopefully the Matching Law will come to the rescue and the dog will choose the behavior where he is always reinforced, coming back to the handler.  To help in these early exercises, a second helper can be located behind the handler and once the command is issued to recall, the second helper can help get the dogs attention.  This is where working with the whip earlier has its advantage.  The dog knows the whip means some fun things are in store, so he comes back for a bigger party.

The whip can also be used to help the dog learn to counter under stress, I won’t get into that or other means, but if used appropriately can have outstanding results on the streets.  Works on puppies too when they are not impressed with stick hits anymore. 

I think this is the only time one of my four-legged partners was unable to take the suspect to the ground.  It was also one of the few times where I thought I may have to help the dog with the fight.  

https://www.dropbox.com/s/46vn2i5xwtsyc8r/K-9%20Bojar%20Bite17.doc?dl=0

I always thought the name of the street where the incident took place had a fitting name.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f88f8yoe9tdx0s1/Man%20arrested%20after%20shooting%20at%20strip%20club.doc?dl=0


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