Stud dog Import - Page 1

I'm a newbie to importing Stud dogs. Can someone help me on the nuances of how to cut a deal while importing VA or V rated dogs for stud purposes. What are the fees, how is a contract worded, is AI an option and is it available etc.

rmenon I would strongly suggest you contact an experienced and reputable broker, someone who deals with those particular types of lines, and offer to PAY them for their time to assist you. Hopefully this would ensure a trouble free transaction. Best of luck :)

If you are very new to all this, my suggestion will be to avoid a VA dog as your first import. There is a lot to learn before you step up the league so to say. Also, please be aware that you would almost certainly make a substantial financial loss by bringing in a VA dog for stud purposes . My intention is not to dissuade you from getting a top dog - but only to request you to consider all that goes with it before you take the plunge. If you still feel upto it - it is definitely rewarding. If you have not already done so, plan to visit a few landsgruppen shows and the big sieger show, and speak to the master breeders. That would give you an idea of what is in store. deutsche-schaferhund is very correct. Work with an excellent broker. That is almost your only chance of even getting access to a VA dog. Most people would not even consider selling a VA dog unless you have the right credentials.

hello howdedo -- i just wanted to touch base with you --- first i wanted to say pardon me for being very bold in the last respones re: your dog -- that is because i cared about your dog first and people's feelings secondary -- the dogs in traing come first !! -- i hope you have solution and guidance to your bite work ..--- just one more thought to share with you -- in belgium ring or french ring -- i train my dog to target , yes .. -- it is not the decoy/helper /or agitator the dog aggresses towards/ targets .. that is devloped in the approach /training .. especially the decoys movements & behavior etc. -- as a matter of fact i can have my dog defend and protect me and guard the escape .. then within two seconds go up and be petted by the agitator/decoy holding the stick and still in full bite suit ...--- this is analogous the way [ i personally feel ] schutzhund should be [ the true underlining of schutzhund as we know is a CHARACTER TEST of the GSD . ] . a dog jumping in decoys face is unacceptable -- and i fell poor trianing .. someday someone will gewt hurt .. 30 years experience or not !! and why i take such a strong stance in my previuos comments .. now , my personal protection dog targets the man but .. " Aus is Aus " and turn off is turn off " !! - sit / down and don't even bat an eye .. stay relaxed and CALM !! well in brief really observe what is going on and think and feel your dog .. watch the helper really watch your helper .. personally i don't buy his comments to you that you previously posted .. and without intention of being arrogant or upity upity .. i don't care from which country or how long he has been training .. the the described behavior of your dog does the talking --- listen if you will to my thoughts and words . .. and ask yourself -- if you were fighting this man /woman ... what would be your instantaneous behavior .. -- good luck -- topdog

howdeo how will anyone ever sell a VA dog just like that...anyway waht is the general procedure to bring a stud be it V or VA..Is it6 like a 1 yr or 6 month contractual thing or do u have to actually buy.... rmenon u will knw as since Fedor and Quando have been to india and now i hear that rocky is on his way there.. wish u all a Happy thanksgiving. ps..alphapup what releavnce does all that u said have here.

Fida -- the relevence -- if you read my comment -- it implies i did not know other than this site how to contact howdedo -- but even though i have never met him/her i take interest in the well being and training of his dog .. and had you followed this site .. you would know what i was refrerring to -- but that is ok --i do not take your question offensively -- but then again -- if you want a relevant comment --- when i hear everybody wanting to breed to the VA / V -- i do say to myself -- what in the world is the matter in the GSD world -- my Sg perhaps V rated male .. i would put way beyond those V and VA rated dogs !! why .. because he has the structure , stress level , color/pigment , behavioral traits that make a very outstanding representation of a GSD -- when will we realize that the GSD is not all show and glitz anyway ?? i have seen many a good rated gsd .. perhaps easily V rated but aside for the relationship that matters most .. other than that ..they arfe worthless representation of the GSD !! do epople realize to get the dog with the blue ribbon [ VA or V ] there are thousand upon thousands bred to V and Va just because ...and how many never make the grade and cut it as a GSD in essence -they end up as "pets " .throw asides . -- howdedo makes a very good point and so what exactly is the goal -- the true motivation to breed to VA ?? you mean to say a great g or SG isn't one to contribute ?? what if that SG has all that it takes to act and be a GSD ?? -- there is a lot to learn!! oh ya .. a lot to learn about breeding GSD's -- just becuase it is V or Va --- you'll see .. just give it time and you will come full circle .. aside from importing , contracts etc etc .. you will see how the breed has become exploited , and the dogs are to much of a business because of greed .. i think we all better go mback to the description of what the GSD is and should be -- read Max Von Stephanitz comments on the GSD and see how far away we have come .. not how close .. -- Does this have relevancy now ??

Fida, Alphapup was adding to his points made on a previous request of mine. reagrding your question, I am not the most experienced to answer that. People like Dog1, JanisNovak, MTLWest etc have tonnes of experience on this, and are better qualified to answer . I have been trying to get a VA dog myself for sometime, and have now almost succeeded. Keeping fingers crossed. What I learned from the effort is that it is a very difficult process. First, VA dogs are not for sale to the general market, especially if they are young and are expected to go higher the next year. In anycase, the amount of convincing you have to do is tremendous. Then comes the money part. In anycase, you should be willing to part with a VERY large amount, and you would never recover it. I don't think you can take a VA dog on a 6 months loan-atleast it was not offered to me ever. Check with the more experienced people on the board if they know about that. Another factor is that you should keep the dog in Germany for shows and breeding commitments for most of the year. Compared to the cost of the dog, that is peanuts, but still it has to be considered.If you don't keep showing him in the landsgruppen shows, he won't be noticed and his placing in the sieger show won't be what you like. It is comparitively easier to get an SG or V dog, unless they know for sure he will make VA. If you are only planning to breed to a VA dog, it is a lot less expensive . My advice would be to buy a bitch in whelp to a VA dog. That is common practice. Sending your dog there to be bred there is not very easy, especially if you are new - it is not just the airfare plus stud fee - there are a lot of incidental expenses which would inflate the bill a lot when you convert from Euro to Rupee .

rmenon, you and I share one thing, we are novices. I have raised a puppy from 8 weeks that looks very promising, but as time passes, I have realized, that having a male at stud is not necessarily a bunch of roses. First of all, the bitches are sent to you and you have to care for them and make sure nothing happens to them while they are in your care. Then you have to ensure that the "Tie" is successful. If the bitch does not become pregnant, it is of course the fault of the stud. If the pups have health issues or temperament issues, it is of course the stud's fault. Of course we all want those super looking males. That is why we all stand ringside when the working males are shown. Awesome. But unless you know something about breeding and have the facilities to care for the bitches, it is really something to be reconsidered.

Thanx to alphapup and howdeo.. i partially agree with u cos i have seen many ( pics i.e )dogs that were SG or V arted that personally to me appeals a lot more that many of the VA dogs on display ...im noty saying that VA dogs are inferior to them... I am from bangladesh and we are desperately trying to imporve the breed over here..Gnenreally we have to import the bitches from india and get the occassional european blood lines from the experts. I personally have a GSd that was bred here and is the grandson of VA pitt von tronje...i think he is awesome but his coat is slightly long.. coming back to my intentions...we desperately need good german bloodlines injected into our current stock since the development of the breed here is in its infancy.. Could some plz atleast refer me some ball park figure of the costs that i have mentioned in my previous post...u can email this to me...I am also inquisitive a to how Noori and ppl like him get the top dogs into india.. I think the new dowg Rocky truly rox...just wah i look for in the look of the GSD. I am somewhat a novice.. I know that we here have a veryyyyyyy long way to go buyt am trying to take the first steps .. Anyway thanx u all. Fida

Fida -- i wish you the utmost of prosperity in your endeavors -- my wish is your breedring be what you expect-- if i mat -- contemplate rather sending your breeding stock to the V or Va if that is tour planned breeding .. first -- i would tend to think -- if you cannot make that happen with the monetary investment , the contacts of the correct people ,insurance policies . etc etc ,, then how could you possibly import to breed to -- if you want a buy good V or Va dog you could easily be discussing $50,000.oo USA dollars .. with contigencies to the deal .. this is a very very expensive venture that you undertake .. i do not have exact figures as i have never done this although i have many progeny from German World Siegers .. but think about the flight cost , the vet bills to ensure health and detection of venereal disease status , food , upkeep , stud fee[s] , plus the initial bargaining cost .. -- again much better to do a lot , a LOT of paperwork and then send your dogs [ similar costs may apply too ].the offspring will give to you the genetic base / stock to go further. one other thought -- keep in mind these VA dogs can easily be valued at $250,000.oo usa dollars to $500,000.oo - they will be very guarded. another thought for you to contemplate ?? where do the Va dogs come from ?? well if you have watched and studied very very closely ... linebreeding , some VA foreparents BUT also from the V-rated group . let us not forget that originally the VA rated was at one point V rated and again only 5 V or so get VA rating per year .. SOOOO-- there is a lot of great stock with traits in that V rated group that you may really not wish to overlook .. my apologies here [ i do not know your degree of experience , sorry ] but it is not just the rating that you must consider but more inportantly the PROPENSITY for your stud/dam to be able to put forth in the progeny i.e. to produce itself . ...-- i have seen what i thought i real weak , not so "typey " female produce outstanding ,, and i mean outstanding puppies /GSD with the correct mate .. -- that reallly is YOUR KEY .. the correct paring rather than the RATING. Also do you want TYPE / lloks or are you also breeding for behavioral traits .. .. remeber what the Americans [ i am so embarressed to say this as i am american ] did to m the GSDi.e- the american not the german , belgium , or czech GSD etc. .. again pick the cooect dogs i say and send your stock -- best of luck to you ---