Purebred Alternative Listing. - Page 1

Sorry about false start, had difficulty posting this thred at first.

I just learned of PAL, a system for registering dogs so their
owners can participate in canine sports, even where the dog
isn't Registered elsewhere.

Have a few more questions about it, so if any of you knowledge-
able people out there can spend a couple of minutes on giving
me the details, I'd be really grateful.

Is this JUST a USA facility or does it extend elsewhere ?
Who runs / administers it  ?  Is it a separate part of AKC,
or run by one of the sports ?  Which dog sports are covered ?
Or should I be asking are there any which are not ?
Is it expensive to use ?  Anything else you know about it ?

You never know when information will come in useful,  so any-
thing you can tell me would be great.  Thanks very much.

Linda Swift  (based UK).

Here is a link to the information from an AKC standpoint.  I do not know for sure if this is a US only thing.
http://www.akc.org/reg/ilpex.cfm
 

In our club, we have 2 dogs registered with PAL, both are rescues from shelters. One just earned her AKC Obedience Beginner Novice title.

PAL is a way for unregistered dog to be able to compete in AKC events, except for conformation shows.

For IPO, an unregistered dog can be noted as a MIX in scorebooks and as long as it has some type of permenant identification (tattoo or microchip) it is allowed into trials.

So basicly, except for breeding, registration is not so much required for trails (agility, rally, obedience, IPO, herding, tracking, etc.).

I also looked into the PAL formally the ILP, for my American Bulldog. Which is not a member of Foundation Stock Dogs or an AKC breed.
But the main sticking point that will keep me from using the AKC is the fact that all PAL listed dogs must be altered. And at this point in time i'm not interested in spaying my dog. Later, but not while i'm still showing her in conformation. And other events.
I've had a lot of people from my training club want me to register my dog with AKC so we can compete in club vs club type events.
But at this time it's not a option. My dog is currently registered with UKC, NKC, IABKC and WDA.So i think that's plenty for now.
Hundmutter if your dogs are shepherds they can be fully registered with AKC. If you not in the US, i'm sure your local Kennel club has programs to offer for both the hobbyist and the curious.

what do you mean by athis listing 

So - to recap:   PAL is administered by AKC, means dog can enter all
sorts of (AKC-run) events where it would not be able to if it is
otherwise unregistered.  Does not apply to Conformation showing.
[Sub question:  can UKC-reg'd dogs enter AKC events & vice-versa ?
Or do you need to register with both ?]

Dog can be of unknown parentage, but have to look as if they are a
'pure' breed (unlike if you put, say, an unreg'd GSD in a WDA event
but swallow your pride & call it a 'mix' for the sake of getting a Scorebook,
yes I'd heard about that before).   Unclear whether that actually means,
in practice, that a dog that looks  like a Heinz57 can still go on the     
Purebred Alt. Listing  ...?

All PAL dogs have to be neutered.

As its AKC and no one seems to be saying to the contrary, I will assume
the PAL scheme doesn't extend into Canada  (or elsewhere), yeah ?



Fawndallas:  Thx, see the other thred.

Deutscher:  ?

'Fry, SM:  Thank you both very much.   SM - I've PM'd you.   ('Fry, its ok,
I am familiar with the UK system.)


 

Yes a pure GSD as a mixed dog that is not registered can get a scorebook and enter trials in WDA and also UScA trials as long as it has some form of permanent identification. Spay/Neuter not required.

In WDA, when the application for trial is sent in, the box allowing other breeds must be checked. The club hosting the event has the choice.
 

Basically the AKC realized that less Americans are sticklers for purebred dogs, but these same people were interested in competing in dog sports. So that means=$$$$$ And at a time when AKC registrations in purebred dogs are down, this is a golden opportunity to gather more cash. http://classic.akc.org/pdfs/mixedBreed/brochure.pdf  So a BYB shepherd of less than stellar breeding with that generic "shepherdy" look can be registered. As long as the dog is fixed. I have seen many a very questionable dog competing in agility before this program became available. Dog that were without a doubt mixes being called "purebred" so the owner can play in dog sports. And one of the biggest thing i have noticed is that very few people serious in agility do much breeding. The vast majority of agility dogs are fixed.
Where as when i go the IPO training, none of the dog are altered. Totally different level of thinking.

UKC already offers "In addition to our purebred dog registry, United Kennel Club offers a Limited Privilege program. The Limited Privilege is open to all dogs that are spayed/neutered. This includes mixed breed dogs, purebred dogs of unknown pedigree, and purebred dogs with disqualifying faults as described in the UKC breed standards. The programs open to Limited Privilege dogs are Agility Trials, Dock Jumping Events, Lure Coursing Meets, Obedience Trials, Rally Obedience Trials, Weight Pulls, and Total Junior Program."
 

Thanks, 'Fry, interesting.  Can you tell me how long the PAL
has been running ?

Linda.


PS since they don't seem to check much, do you know what
happens if a dog who the owner said was neutered, subsequently
proves not to be ?

I'm not sure exactly as i do not compete in any AKC events but my club host a lot of AKC agility and some Obedience. I'm going to say at least going on 10 years now. Since i first heard of it when my Maggie was young. She was my Americna bulldog/Plott hound mix and she passed away this year at 14.