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by Keith Grossman on 27 July 2012 - 14:07
by vonissk on 27 July 2012 - 16:07
That's so sad that he had to die over protecting his partner to the end.
RIP Kilo--I believe there is a special place somewhere for dogs like you.
RIP Kilo--I believe there is a special place somewhere for dogs like you.
by joanro on 27 July 2012 - 18:07
Don't they have training for scenarios like this? The only solution is to kill the k9 ? That's tragic.
by Keith Grossman on 27 July 2012 - 19:07
My guess is that they don't have training for that but it's an even more complicated issue in this particular case. The incident happened in Pendleton which is 5 miles or so up the road from the town from which the K9 unit was from, Anderson. Even if departments with K9's routinely did train all of their officers how to respond, Pendleton does not have a K9 unit so they would have not necessarily need to have that training. This situation went on most of the day yesterday so I'm sure that in addition to the two PD's involved the Madison County Sheriff Department was also there and there is a state police post in Pendleton so I'm sure they were on the scene as well. It's hard to say without having been there if there could have been a better outcome but as you note, it is tragic for all involved.
by Nans gsd on 27 July 2012 - 19:07
Always so sorry to hear this sad news, RIP brave boy.
by joanro on 27 July 2012 - 21:07
If the handler was conscious, I can not imagine his despair.... Go hug your dog
by EuroShepherd on 27 July 2012 - 22:07
so horribly sad 
I've been hearing of so many police K9s that have died this summer, don't think I've ever read so many news articles on dead K9s before as I have these last few months.
by hexe on 27 July 2012 - 23:07
WTF? Sorry, that is BS--'had to shoot the dog'. It's a freakin' dog, not a deranged lunatic--I can think of at least 5 non-lethal ways the dog could have been contained just off the top of my head, the most primative being for someone to suck it up and take a bite from the dog--which would NOT have been lethal to either the dog or the person who took the bite. (Yeah, I've been bitten 'for real' by a dog a time or two in my life, and while it's certainly not fun, and it sure does hurt like hell, if it saved the life of the dog AND his handler I'd gladly take another such bite.)
And if departments are not training for these kinds of scenarios, they damn well should be, even if they don't have a K9 unit of their own--the departments w/o K9s ought to know there's going to come a time when they need K9 assistance from a department that does have that resource, and cross-training with those departments should be a SOP, as should training the K9s themselves to permit another LEO to assist the handler when needed.
A dog dying in the course of duty because it takes a bullet meant for its handler, in preventing an attack on the handler or a victim, or while apprehending a suspect is sad, but it doesn't make me angry--it's not as if arrangements can be made with the criminal in advance to avoid harming the dog. But when a K9 is killed by law enforcement themselves, because NOBODY planned ahead and trained for an incident that should NOT be an unanticipated scenario, that makes me mad enough to think that perhaps such units shouldn't have anything other than a passive activity dog--one trained to do search and rescue, narcotics, explosives, but nothing as far as officer protection or suspect apprehension goes.
Poor K9 Kilo...his fellows in law enforcement let him down in a big way, and he paid the ultimate price for it.
And if departments are not training for these kinds of scenarios, they damn well should be, even if they don't have a K9 unit of their own--the departments w/o K9s ought to know there's going to come a time when they need K9 assistance from a department that does have that resource, and cross-training with those departments should be a SOP, as should training the K9s themselves to permit another LEO to assist the handler when needed.
A dog dying in the course of duty because it takes a bullet meant for its handler, in preventing an attack on the handler or a victim, or while apprehending a suspect is sad, but it doesn't make me angry--it's not as if arrangements can be made with the criminal in advance to avoid harming the dog. But when a K9 is killed by law enforcement themselves, because NOBODY planned ahead and trained for an incident that should NOT be an unanticipated scenario, that makes me mad enough to think that perhaps such units shouldn't have anything other than a passive activity dog--one trained to do search and rescue, narcotics, explosives, but nothing as far as officer protection or suspect apprehension goes.
Poor K9 Kilo...his fellows in law enforcement let him down in a big way, and he paid the ultimate price for it.
by Keith Grossman on 27 July 2012 - 23:07
Agreed, agreed and agreed, hexe, and it is now something that I will absolutely demand be incorporated into our local PD's K9 program as I help them move forward with it.
by Slamdunc on 28 July 2012 - 05:07
Hexe,
Perhaps you should think about the situation a little more before jumping to conclusions and making statements like this:
I can think of at least 5 non-lethal ways the dog could have been contained just off the top of my head, the most primative being for someone to suck it up and take a bite from the dog--which would NOT have been lethal to either the dog or the person who took the bite. (Yeah, I've been bitten 'for real' by a dog a time or two in my life, and while it's certainly not fun, and it sure does hurt like hell, if it saved the life of the dog AND his handler I'd gladly take another such bite.)
Please explain to me the 5 non lethal ways to save the Officer and save the dog during a gun fight with a homicidal suspect, armed with an assault rifle, wearing body armor that has already killed 2 people and wounded 2 Police Officers???????? These are techniques that I would love to hear. Please explain how you are going to drag me to cover and provide tactical life saving treatment, meaning stopping the bleeding from AK rounds while feeding my K-9 hot dogs and clicking? Please explain how you are going to drag me to cover ( a safe place that bullets won't penetrate), and apply tourniquets and pressure on my wounds to stop the bleeding while dealing with my dog? Of course you know since you are a tactically trained professional what first aid needs to be applied. You have helped dozens of gun shot victims, to include friends and fellow Officers on the street to stay alive. Let's take me and my dog. My dog is not the most social animal and trained for handler protection, but he is clear headed and bites really hard.....he bites for real, and I'll bet money he bites at least as hard or harder than any dog you have ever dealt with. He's proven himself many times for real. Let's fire 20, 30 or 40 rounds at each other, that will get him really going and put him into a serious rage; then you come up and grab me and try to drag me away or you start putting pressure on my leg or chest to stop bleeding. Do you think you are getting bit? Do you think my dog isn't going to crush whatever body part he gets of yours? Now, return fire on the bad guy and stop my bleeding before I die. You have one minute or less to get that dog off you with out being shot and save me, the other officer and other citizens. Can you do it? Can you do it and save the dog? The clock is ticking, I'm is laying there and may be bleeding out. Hurry up and and try non lethal way number 3 or 4 to deal with my dog who is tearing you up. Give him another treat and hope he let's go before I die or you get shot by the suspect.
I love my dog, my wife loves my dog and we raised him from a pup. Me or the dog; I think she'd rather have me come home from the gun fight given that tough choice. If I have to make a life and death choice in that situation given the few facts we have here, I am saving the Officer's life. What ever it takes, going into gunfire and taking action. I'll do my damndest to make sure he gets home to his family. My fellow K-9 guys know if it's one of us or our dog, well it is going to be one of us. None of us are afraid of dogs, we all love dogs but we understand the harsh realities of the job we do better than most.
I understand this is another of these emotionally charged topics. My condolences to the families of the citizens that were killed by yet another heavily armed gunman with an assault rifle. My prayers to the Officers that were shot and I hope they have a speedy and full recovery. I feel bad for the K-9 it is unfortunate and tragic. For the rest of the speculation and demands of training for these situations or better ways to handle the situation........well never mind, it is not worth it.
Perhaps you should think about the situation a little more before jumping to conclusions and making statements like this:
I can think of at least 5 non-lethal ways the dog could have been contained just off the top of my head, the most primative being for someone to suck it up and take a bite from the dog--which would NOT have been lethal to either the dog or the person who took the bite. (Yeah, I've been bitten 'for real' by a dog a time or two in my life, and while it's certainly not fun, and it sure does hurt like hell, if it saved the life of the dog AND his handler I'd gladly take another such bite.)
Please explain to me the 5 non lethal ways to save the Officer and save the dog during a gun fight with a homicidal suspect, armed with an assault rifle, wearing body armor that has already killed 2 people and wounded 2 Police Officers???????? These are techniques that I would love to hear. Please explain how you are going to drag me to cover and provide tactical life saving treatment, meaning stopping the bleeding from AK rounds while feeding my K-9 hot dogs and clicking? Please explain how you are going to drag me to cover ( a safe place that bullets won't penetrate), and apply tourniquets and pressure on my wounds to stop the bleeding while dealing with my dog? Of course you know since you are a tactically trained professional what first aid needs to be applied. You have helped dozens of gun shot victims, to include friends and fellow Officers on the street to stay alive. Let's take me and my dog. My dog is not the most social animal and trained for handler protection, but he is clear headed and bites really hard.....he bites for real, and I'll bet money he bites at least as hard or harder than any dog you have ever dealt with. He's proven himself many times for real. Let's fire 20, 30 or 40 rounds at each other, that will get him really going and put him into a serious rage; then you come up and grab me and try to drag me away or you start putting pressure on my leg or chest to stop bleeding. Do you think you are getting bit? Do you think my dog isn't going to crush whatever body part he gets of yours? Now, return fire on the bad guy and stop my bleeding before I die. You have one minute or less to get that dog off you with out being shot and save me, the other officer and other citizens. Can you do it? Can you do it and save the dog? The clock is ticking, I'm is laying there and may be bleeding out. Hurry up and and try non lethal way number 3 or 4 to deal with my dog who is tearing you up. Give him another treat and hope he let's go before I die or you get shot by the suspect.
I love my dog, my wife loves my dog and we raised him from a pup. Me or the dog; I think she'd rather have me come home from the gun fight given that tough choice. If I have to make a life and death choice in that situation given the few facts we have here, I am saving the Officer's life. What ever it takes, going into gunfire and taking action. I'll do my damndest to make sure he gets home to his family. My fellow K-9 guys know if it's one of us or our dog, well it is going to be one of us. None of us are afraid of dogs, we all love dogs but we understand the harsh realities of the job we do better than most.
I understand this is another of these emotionally charged topics. My condolences to the families of the citizens that were killed by yet another heavily armed gunman with an assault rifle. My prayers to the Officers that were shot and I hope they have a speedy and full recovery. I feel bad for the K-9 it is unfortunate and tragic. For the rest of the speculation and demands of training for these situations or better ways to handle the situation........well never mind, it is not worth it.
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