workline gsd - showline gsd - Page 1

hi. first of all sorry my english. i wonder between workline gsd - showline gsd in difference height? or both dog is same size?

The standard is same for both, height 60-65 cm for the male and 55-60 cm for the female, Wl breeders tend to breed more medium sized dogs than the show breeders to maintain fitness for work, therefore you find more Sl dogs at the top of the size than Wl dogs, my personal observation.

Ibrahim

Never mind the size. You should be a looking for a sound tempered dog. I have had a WL who was top sized and now have a SL who is also the same size. The SL is nowhere as robust as the WL. He is a much softer dog. It really does depend on what you're looking for in a dog. I should add, the SL has many champions in his bloodline, and this has ensured that he is handsome, but it has not guaranteed great health so far.

Therefore, WL for me next time.

Hard to say witch is larger WL seem to be tighter or compact to me.  Basically the two are a totally seperate breed in my book.  Like comparing an apple to a orange or like comparing a skateboard to a motorcycle.

Is it true an oversized dog can get a V rating?

Yes, Daryl.  A friend's oversized working line recently got a V, KKL1.

My show line male is 3 years old 70lbs 24.5" and my working line male is 21 months old 68lbs 25" and still growing/filling out, will probably be around 80 eventually.  Neither appear small or fine; people often comment how huge they are and can't believe the actual weight.  Most people guess the show line to be 85-90lbs lol.

Owning, working, titling, and showing both lines of dogs thus being around hundreds if not thousands of them at events year round, I honestly can't say I've seen a pattern of one line being consistently larger than the other.  I've learned from my own dogs that you can't make assumptions about height and weight based on pictures.

If that's what your friend wants I suppose that's one thing, but I sometimes gotta wonder what's the point at all of titles, breed surveys and the breed standard when it's just as easily a lie as it is the truth.  It's difficult to care for something you can't believe in.

FCI Standard Size/Weight
Males: Height at the wither 60 cm to 65 cm
Weight 30 kg to 40 kg. (66 TO 88 LBS)

Females: Height at the wither 55 cm to 60 cm
Weight 22 kg - 32 kg. (48 TO 70 LBS)

• Dogs outside these measurements will not be breed surveyed nor their progeny be registered.

 

I guess the way I see it is no dog is perfect.  If KKL1 meant perfect to standard why even have it when it doesn't exist?  I'm not a judge so I can't really comment beyond that.  I know the dog is large (not necessarily tall but strong and heavy as in weight, not fat) but I don't know how that stacks up against all the other pros/cons the judges are evaluating. Is there an exact weight at which a dog automatically drops to KKL2?  I don't know, but it seems like with a lot of things, the pros and cons are weighted in context.

KKL2 still means it was breed surveyed, right?  So, the way I read it, a dog outside those measurements couldn't even earn that.  I'm not saying either way what I think about that, just that the rules should mean what they say, or don't say it at all.

I agree with Daryl, either rules be made and enforced or they shouldn't be made in the first place. When a dog does not meet a very clear and specific term (measurement) and still passes breed evaluation how can you claim it's better than a dog which was not evaluated at all !!!

Ibrahim