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by HighDesertGSD on 14 October 2011 - 18:10
Do you know of a place that sells Fort Dodge leptospirosis only vaccine in Inland Empire or Orange county, California?
by Louise M. Penery on 14 October 2011 - 23:10
No one I know bothers to vaccinate against lepto because its efficacy is of short duration.
by hexe on 15 October 2011 - 04:10
I've never stopped vaxing for lepto--short duration is better than none at all, and lepto's made a significant comeback in dogs in recent years.
As for where to obtain the vaccine, any licensed veterinarian ought to be able to order it for you if there isn't any other retail source that has it.
As for where to obtain the vaccine, any licensed veterinarian ought to be able to order it for you if there isn't any other retail source that has it.
by djc on 15 October 2011 - 17:10
You're right Hexe.
Debby
Debby
by Louise M. Penery on 15 October 2011 - 19:10
I have only one 10.5 -year-old dog. I don't vaccinate him for anything and will not for the rest of his life. When I had a rabies titer done on him 2.5 years ago (3 years after his last rabies vaccine), he had 5 times the number of antibodies needed to confer immunity. The rabies titer cetificate is accepted for travel purposes--even for service dogs flying with their owner to Canada. Dr Ron Schultz (veterinary immunologist in Wisconsin) believes that one a dog has a possitive rabies titer, he never needs another rabies vaccine.
by Mystere on 16 October 2011 - 02:10
My vet recommended the lepto because my dog travels and comes into contact with so many dogs, some from other parts of the country. I'd rather have done all I can to protect my dog, as opposed to having her come down with some nasty cooties.
by djc on 16 October 2011 - 15:10
no one is speaking of rabies Louise! It's about Lepto.
Debby
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by Louise M. Penery on 16 October 2011 - 22:10
I know that the vaccination protocoll from the VMTH at UC-Davis does not include either corona or lepto. Not that that is a great authority. The assholes there recommend that my sister give a rabies vaccine to her indoor cat in case the cat should bite someone or comm in contact with bats!!
Regarding this protocol:In general, leptospiral vaccines have been associated with more severe postvaccinal reactions (acute anaphylaxis) than other vaccines
Regarding this protocol:In general, leptospiral vaccines have been associated with more severe postvaccinal reactions (acute anaphylaxis) than other vaccines
by hexe on 16 October 2011 - 23:10
Louise, WRT the post-vaccinal reactions, I'll give no argument there--the lepto vax do tend to be the most problematic, followed by the rabies vax, for animals which do not have a completely normal immune system. The same animals which have adverse post-vax reactions to lepto or rabies are also the ones most likely to also suffer from environmental and food allergies.
That said, my dogs typically venture into far too many places where they are at risk of being exposed to the lepto spirochete--we live on a farm, for example, so there are going to be mice no matter what control measures are taken--and I prefer to see that they have some level of immune defense against that disease, since it's so difficult to pull the dogs back from the brink should they become infected. Corona, OTOH, is innocuous enough in healthy adult dogs that I've never bothered with it; frankly, even a normal healthy pup should be able to fight that off, though they will endure some degree of clinical illness.
But as far as the recommendation that your sister's indoor-only cat be vaccinated against rabies, I will have to side with UC-Davis on that one. Now that we know without question that an infected bat can transmit the disease via the aerosol route alone, I can't consider not vaccinating the animal to be a reasonable risk. No matter how even-natured an animal is, infection with rabies will override temperament, and exposure doesn't have to come via a bite--more people are exposed to the virus from handling an animal they didn't know was infected and having broken skin come in contact with virus-laden saliva than from actual bites.
If your sister's cat was appropriately vaccinated to establish a titer against the disease, then regular confirmation of the titer is certainly sufficient, but I would never be willing to risk not vaccinating my animals and putting them in danger of infection. And yes, even my livestock are vaccinated against rabies. I handle them too often and too closely not to do so.
And I still prefer to vax twice yearly for lepto, erring on the side of caution. Has never caused any of my dogs any trouble to date, be it the GSDs or the Siberians and Alaskan Huskies of my dogsledding days. Cheaper than treating a lepto infection, by several hundreds of dollars, too.
That said, my dogs typically venture into far too many places where they are at risk of being exposed to the lepto spirochete--we live on a farm, for example, so there are going to be mice no matter what control measures are taken--and I prefer to see that they have some level of immune defense against that disease, since it's so difficult to pull the dogs back from the brink should they become infected. Corona, OTOH, is innocuous enough in healthy adult dogs that I've never bothered with it; frankly, even a normal healthy pup should be able to fight that off, though they will endure some degree of clinical illness.
But as far as the recommendation that your sister's indoor-only cat be vaccinated against rabies, I will have to side with UC-Davis on that one. Now that we know without question that an infected bat can transmit the disease via the aerosol route alone, I can't consider not vaccinating the animal to be a reasonable risk. No matter how even-natured an animal is, infection with rabies will override temperament, and exposure doesn't have to come via a bite--more people are exposed to the virus from handling an animal they didn't know was infected and having broken skin come in contact with virus-laden saliva than from actual bites.
If your sister's cat was appropriately vaccinated to establish a titer against the disease, then regular confirmation of the titer is certainly sufficient, but I would never be willing to risk not vaccinating my animals and putting them in danger of infection. And yes, even my livestock are vaccinated against rabies. I handle them too often and too closely not to do so.
And I still prefer to vax twice yearly for lepto, erring on the side of caution. Has never caused any of my dogs any trouble to date, be it the GSDs or the Siberians and Alaskan Huskies of my dogsledding days. Cheaper than treating a lepto infection, by several hundreds of dollars, too.
by Louise M. Penery on 17 October 2011 - 00:10
Interesting, even when I worked at the VMTH, I had to have a rabies vaccine and subsequent titers.
Fortunately, my dog never somes in contact with rats or mice.
I also do not give prophylactic treatmemt for HW.
Fortunately, my dog never somes in contact with rats or mice.
I also do not give prophylactic treatmemt for HW.
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