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momosgarage

by momosgarage on 10 August 2011 - 18:08

I am sure this has been discussed before in some form.  I have seen it posted on other GSD forums and see a few breeders claiming biosensor puppies.  I understand and have read articles on the basic concept, histroy of the program and final results.  Here is an old  sample forum discussion:

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/breeding-general/127442-bio-sensor-program.html


However my question is not about what biosensor was.  My questions are about the actual governement training manuals and research result documents, if they are available to the public. 

What FM manuals have the procedure for biosenor?  I have yet see a physical manual or any actual supporting military documents, just second hand stories and personal experiences.

Does anyone know where to get the old biosensor training manuals?  What are the manual numbers, so I can try to find an old used one?  Are any official documents floating around about this project or just stories?

von sprengkraft

by von sprengkraft on 10 August 2011 - 20:08

You might get some info in this article.  Randy Roughton might be worth contacting.  I believe biosensor was at Lackland AFB.
http://usoonpatrol.org/archives/2011/01/05/pre-k-9 

momosgarage

by momosgarage on 10 August 2011 - 22:08

Thats a very good article.  One of the best I've seen giving a broad general overview of the topic.  Thanks for posting it

momosgarage

by momosgarage on 18 August 2011 - 20:08

Thnaks again von sprengkraft.

However, I am VERY SURPRISED that no one here has any exact answers or comments on where to look.  I thought there were many people on this board who are military dog handlers, both former and current; not to mention the wide range of breeders that sell to the federal government. 

I'll even take info on the current military FM manuals for dog breeding, handling etc.

Lief

by Lief on 18 August 2011 - 21:08

When people talk about Biosensor Puppies I think they a refering to ENS a common practice in Filed Trial Dogs http://breedingbetterdogs.com/pdfFiles/articles/early_neurological_stimulation_en.pdf    http://www.crickethollowfarm.com/biosensor.htm

darylehret

by darylehret on 19 August 2011 - 01:08

There were a couple years that Dr. Carmen Battaglia gave his sermons at the International Working Dog Conference, but I don't think the IWDBA community takes him very seriously now.  Good faith sales gimmickry, in my opinion.  There have been NO scientific studies that can support his theories, in fact there's NO published data in the scientific community to even stand peer review.  It's all conjecture.

This year's  IWDC has a few other interesting speakers, though.

momosgarage

by momosgarage on 19 August 2011 - 17:08

I wasn't asking about Carmen L. Battaglia's research or findings.  I was asking about real documents, both past and present, from the military's biosensor program.  It appears to have been a real thing, so documentation should certainly exist.  Whether it is still classified or not is another question.

darylehret

by darylehret on 19 August 2011 - 17:08

I don't know of any official sources, but here's an Airman Magazine article that mentions it.
http://www.airmanonline.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123235585

Carmen's ENS exercises are basically an exact copy of The Superdog Program's Biosensor exercises, from what I know.  You could always ask him.  I'd like to know how he managed to claim copyrights to it as well.

Lief

by Lief on 20 August 2011 - 00:08

Lakland is certainly not known for its cutting edge training if they were they would not have places like K2 solutions doing ground breaking training that is not being done anywhere else in the world teahing dogs to pinpoint handle up to 250 yards to detect IEDs dog training is constantly evolving there are no ''good ol days '' What they are doing at K2 will change they way they world trains bomb dogs forever

momosgarage

by momosgarage on 20 August 2011 - 03:08

Thanks Lief, I do contract work for the Feds too and have my own opinion on contractors with proprietary methods used to fulfill said contracts.  Especially when the management group consists entirely of recently retired military who have a fresh "rolodex" thats good for winning contracts for 1-2 years post retirement. 

I also took a look at K2 solutions current job openings for thier canine group and they are asking for 341st Training Squadron DTS experience, so I doubt anything that revolutionary is going on. 

At this time I am only interested in the government manuals.





 


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