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by ebradford on 13 July 2011 - 02:07

My seven month old female just had her OFA prelims done today.  Our vet said she has an Ununited Anconeal Process (UAP).  The pup does favor the leg in question.  I unfortunately thought it could be pano.  I guess we have three options, return her to the breeder in exchange for a new pup, keep her and remove the ununited region, or do nothing and see what happens.  What would you do? Her elbow at seven months is already showing bone spur growth (arthritis) trying to compensate.  Our vet would like us to take her to University for the procedure if we choose that path.

K-9mom

by K-9mom on 13 July 2011 - 03:07

Take her to a good surgeon and have it fixed (by removing the piece uninited) and she should do well. My boy was 9 months when we did his surgery and he has a very good Agility career and at 10 is still showing no issues. When we did surgery on a 3 yr old I imported, it was kind of to late and the damage to the joint had been done. He had to be euthanized at 8 yrs of age.

As far as I have seen, Elbow Dysplaisa Pain is not as well tolerated as other pain they get (hips, back, etc). As for returning her to the breeder, what will they do with your pup if she is returned?


Abbi's mom

by Abbi's mom on 13 July 2011 - 06:07

I had a female who had severe pain at 10 months old. Found out it was the ununited piece of bone floating around in her elbow. Both elbows were bad. Surgically removed the ununited one and waiting to see what happened with the other. Nothing much was ever done with the other one. She continued doing SchH. and was my first dog to achieve a SchH1 title. I didn't go further due to the wall being in the SchH2 and 3 and I didn't want her to have that impact on her elbows. She had alot of arthritis starting around 5 years old but died of old age at 12 with very little pain. I gave her a concoction 1 time a day on her food for her entire life and she never took pain pills. If she over did sometimes she would limp a little bit but it didn't last.
The home remedy was
1 - 10 mg. Manganese,
1 - S.O.D 2000,
1 - Glucosimne/Chondrition 
1 pkg. of Knox geletin
Mixed in her food with a little water so the geletin didn't all sit on the bottom. She had the hardest and I do mean HARDest toenails ever :-)  But it worked
Good Luck

by ebradford on 13 July 2011 - 23:07

I spoke to the breeder today.  She stated she would not euthanize her and would find her a good home willing to deal with this issue.  She is a great dog, but my primary reason in getting her was to breed with my 2 year old male, who is an Ace of Nike grandson with amazing drives, excellent obedience and protection.  She would have been his perfect mate.  He fell in love with her when I brought her home at 8 weeks, I think he would be crushed if she left.  Maybe I'm putting to much of my human emotion into this.  I appreciate your responses.  Great Spirit will work it out.  

by ltsgsd on 17 July 2011 - 03:07

I had a pup with this but we caught it at 5 mo of age. I had a orthopedic vet in our area who was very familiar with this. He did an ulnar shortening, cast for a couple of weeks, crate for 8 weeks. dog healed well. I had a great family take him as I did not feel comfortable competeing him in Schutzhund. I wish I had kept him. To this day you cannot tell he has had surgery at all. He can flat foot jump into the bed of a truck!

Avery Hill Kennels

by Avery Hill Kennels on 17 July 2011 - 05:07

I find this a loop hole breeders USE to NOT have to full fill there guarantee!!
I think if you have done everything right then the breeder should ask you to have female spayed return ALL paper work on female and then give a replacement pup! This I find is the loop hole breeders use to get out of giving a replacement pup because THEY know owner is to attached to dog to give it up.(Very poor guarantee IMHO)

I mean REALLY what are they going to do with this dog ??? NOTHING so she should stay in the home she has known and is loved!!

Abby Normal

by Abby Normal on 17 July 2011 - 22:07

When you buy a pup not all expectations are necessarily fulfilled. Must be a shame if you were planning to breed, but really - after 7 months would you send your girl away to who knows what future? 

IMO we take on a dog like a husband or wife - for better or worse, and deal with what fate throws at us in the process. Sure, it lets breeders off the hook to some degree, but dogs aren't like washing machines to be replaced when a 'part' doesn't work properly. A living breathing entity that has fit into her family shouldn't just be 'sent back' IMO. If that were the case probably 50% of the dog population would be 'in transit' if owners were to just ship them out when a health issue popped up.

If it were me, she would be staying and I would be doing everything possible to make her life good. I would however be considering asking the breeder for financial recompense instead, and possibly contribution to necessary vet bills.

T'would be a shame to deprive your boy of his soul mate too.

Trouble97

by Trouble97 on 21 July 2011 - 00:07

I had a puppy that had UAP and we did surgery on him when he was about 6mos I think and he was a very large male dog almost 30in at the shoulder as an adult and over 100lbs and he lived a very happy life as a great companion to my friend. He lived til about 9yrs of age and never had any pain in his elbow, was extremely active and also ended up having a cruciate repair on his rear leg and that didn't affect his elbow either. The only supplements he was on was glucosamine.

I would have a hard time giving back a dog to a breeder as had some bad experience with a puppy I co-owned that ended up with bad hips and the co-owner insisted she go back to the breeder and I had hoped she would find a new wonderful home and I found out awhile later that she escaped from her new home and was never seen again. I was heartbroken, I loved that girl so much and was devastated to hear that was her fate! I would have loved to keep her as they are my pets first, show/breeding stock second! I was young and the co-owner had been doing this for 30 plus years and he took her leash out of my hand at a show and I never saw her again. Since then I have never co-owned a dog and have never returned a dog to the breeder! At least if they are with me I know how they are going to be cared for and I don't have to worry about what happened to them.

Abby Normal

by Abby Normal on 22 July 2011 - 08:07

Trouble, that is a sad story, and obviously still affects you to this day. I agree, companions first and foremost.

Sending a dog back to a breeder especially with a confirmed health problem is really worrying to me. It is a very uncertain future, and you might be told the dog has been rehomed but you will never really know.....  I will say no more.

So sad that you didn't get to keep your girl. I would never co-own a dog either - no-one but me gets to make decisions about my dogs.

ShadyLady

by ShadyLady on 22 July 2011 - 13:07

If your primary reason was to breed her, then send her back. You & your male will fall in love with another puppy.





 


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