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by Wise Guy on 09 May 2011 - 19:05
If you were selling puppies that you advertise as being "over-sized", would it be correct to call them "show quality" if they are going to be too big to qualify for the show ring?
by HighDesertGSD on 09 May 2011 - 20:05
It depends on how much over-sized.
In the American GSD show ring, I think the actual high limit is about 27" male 25" inch female. Dogs over 26.5 inches and bitches over 24.5" are at a slight disadvantage, I believe.
In the American GSD show ring, I think the actual high limit is about 27" male 25" inch female. Dogs over 26.5 inches and bitches over 24.5" are at a slight disadvantage, I believe.
by Ibrahim on 09 May 2011 - 20:05
I think it is wrong as oversize is a disqualifying fault. But oversize is a marketing tool, many don't mind it, even prefer it especially when there is no plan for showing the dog, the bigger the better !!!.
Ibrahim
Ibrahim
by BlackthornGSD on 09 May 2011 - 21:05
"Show quality" inherently means the dog will be capable of showing and it should mean the dog could reasonably expected to do well in the show ring.
But people lie -- or are just plain wrong (through ignorance or inexperience or poor judgment)-- about dogs and puppies all the time. :(
But people lie -- or are just plain wrong (through ignorance or inexperience or poor judgment)-- about dogs and puppies all the time. :(
by Wise Guy on 09 May 2011 - 21:05
Ibrahim, you get what I mean.
To be more specific, what I meant by over-sized, and what I think it means, is that the puppy (or dog) is so big that it goes beyond the maximum allowed for in the breed standard. If a male is ideally 65cm but you have a 2cm (more or less) margin, then a dog over 67cm (or over 27 in) exeeds the maximum and is disqualified from the show ring.
So it would follow that saying a puppy or dog is "over-sized" AND "show quality" is at least misleading even if it had good conformation.
That a lot of Americans tend to believe that bigger is better goes without saying, so you are right about it being a marketing tool.
To be more specific, what I meant by over-sized, and what I think it means, is that the puppy (or dog) is so big that it goes beyond the maximum allowed for in the breed standard. If a male is ideally 65cm but you have a 2cm (more or less) margin, then a dog over 67cm (or over 27 in) exeeds the maximum and is disqualified from the show ring.
So it would follow that saying a puppy or dog is "over-sized" AND "show quality" is at least misleading even if it had good conformation.
That a lot of Americans tend to believe that bigger is better goes without saying, so you are right about it being a marketing tool.
by Wise Guy on 09 May 2011 - 21:05
Oh, and most people I talk to believe GSDs are supposed to be BIG dogs even though the breed standard sets them at "medium-sized" (in comparison to big and huge dogs - Rotties, Great Danes, Newfies, etc.)
An overly big or heavy or even over-angulated GSD does not have the athleticism or maneuverability that a truly medium-sized dog would have.
An overly big or heavy or even over-angulated GSD does not have the athleticism or maneuverability that a truly medium-sized dog would have.
by HighDesertGSD on 09 May 2011 - 23:05
Few judges will really bring out a ruler so height is really by sight.
A dog cannot be off by too much.
Also, if most dogs are 26.5", the one that is really 27 inches may be regarded as 26.5" against mostly 26" dogs.
A dog cannot be off by too much.
Also, if most dogs are 26.5", the one that is really 27 inches may be regarded as 26.5" against mostly 26" dogs.
by hachiko on 10 May 2011 - 06:05
Pl. put some pics of the pups.
by Rik on 10 May 2011 - 13:05
Ibrahim, you would have to see what happens to the dogs when size limits are not enforced.
The larger dogs are always more impressive in the ring and when they win, people just keep breeding them larger and larger.
I think the enforcement of size limits is a good thing for the GSD.
best,
Rik
The larger dogs are always more impressive in the ring and when they win, people just keep breeding them larger and larger.
I think the enforcement of size limits is a good thing for the GSD.
best,
Rik
by crhuerta on 10 May 2011 - 13:05
There is a huge difference between being "over-sized" and being "large".
If one advertises that puppies will be "over-sized" as adults.....then they cannot be considered "show prospects"...IMO.
Being a show quality/prospect to me means....*Being of quality to compete respectively in the Conformation venue*.....a puppy/prospect that will be limited (because of size, structure or any other fault).....is not a show prospect in my eyes.
Just because a dog can be "shown" does not mean it is a show quality dog......*there is no competition being in the end of a class*.
JMO
If one advertises that puppies will be "over-sized" as adults.....then they cannot be considered "show prospects"...IMO.
Being a show quality/prospect to me means....*Being of quality to compete respectively in the Conformation venue*.....a puppy/prospect that will be limited (because of size, structure or any other fault).....is not a show prospect in my eyes.
Just because a dog can be "shown" does not mean it is a show quality dog......*there is no competition being in the end of a class*.
JMO
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