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by rykie on 04 April 2011 - 23:04
Does anyone have the judge's critique on Tyson vom Kottersbursch?
by SitasMom on 05 April 2011 - 01:04
Striking type and expression with much force and strength. Great, doggy, very well shaped head, very good height aspect ratio. High withers, straight back, correct position and length of croup, very good angulations in front and rear, wide legs, very good front and lower chest development, straight front, correct step sequence, harmonic, very smooth transitions, strong supply, free precedence. Safe nature, UCB pronouncedly;.
HD normal. ED normal. , Black, brown markings
III.
HD normal. ED normal. , Black, brown markings
III.
by SitasMom on 05 April 2011 - 01:04
III. a) fixed, of course, temperamental, b) exists; c) to d) are present; s), f) pronounced; dog from the animals;
IV d) normal relationship i) fixed, m) normal length, normal position; s) well, o) on the front straight path, back straight path, t)
strong, v) strong, w) strongly, x) is healthy, strong, seamless, scissors;
V. Particularly expressive, substantial male with a lot of building harmony, very good structural strength, harmonic
IV d) normal relationship i) fixed, m) normal length, normal position; s) well, o) on the front straight path, back straight path, t)
strong, v) strong, w) strongly, x) is healthy, strong, seamless, scissors;
V. Particularly expressive, substantial male with a lot of building harmony, very good structural strength, harmonic
by Abby Normal on 05 April 2011 - 11:04
I am not criticising any individual dog, or it's structure, but what has happened to people's (especially judges) eyes, to state that this dog has a straight back? He simply doesn't. When did we develop the inability to distinguish straight from curved?
Straight back: Tyson von der Schiffslache
Very slightly convex but acceptable (to me) love the structure: Ursa vom haus Tyson.
Straight back: Tyson von der Schiffslache
Very slightly convex but acceptable (to me) love the structure: Ursa vom haus Tyson.
by AandA on 05 April 2011 - 12:04
Abby,
I must admit I get confused when the term "straight back" is used and to exactly what the definition is they are refering to.
The diagram in the standard page on this web site (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/info/15.html) shows the back to be from the start of the withers to the end of the croup. But the text beneath mentions "The back, including the loins, is straight and strongly developed yet not too long between the withers and the croup". And I have often heard people refer to the back as just the piece between the withers and croup with the whole refered to as the topline.
To further confuse things, I've often wondered if the term straight is refering to the back when looking from above/behind.
Perhaps someone more enlightened will clarify.
Cheers,
AandA
I must admit I get confused when the term "straight back" is used and to exactly what the definition is they are refering to.
The diagram in the standard page on this web site (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/info/15.html) shows the back to be from the start of the withers to the end of the croup. But the text beneath mentions "The back, including the loins, is straight and strongly developed yet not too long between the withers and the croup". And I have often heard people refer to the back as just the piece between the withers and croup with the whole refered to as the topline.
To further confuse things, I've often wondered if the term straight is refering to the back when looking from above/behind.
Perhaps someone more enlightened will clarify.
Cheers,
AandA
by Abby Normal on 05 April 2011 - 17:04
AandA
It is from the side, not from above.
The back incorporates the loins, as defined by the illustration and text (back including the loins) that you quote. I believe that the reason some try and separate this out is because of the shape of the dog/s they are supporting drop away steeply just before the loins, creating that hinged look, which is not correct. All that is said separately about the loin is that it should be broad, short, strongly developed and well muscled. Not that it should dive toward the ground, nor that it should be curved as I saw one breeder describe it.
However, even if this were not the case and the back was simply from behind the wither to the start of the loin, in many showline dogs there is still a pronounced rise in the spine which starts just after the wither. Not straight as illustrated by Tyson von der Schiffslache, and virtually any working line dog you see.
It shouldn't be confusing, it is simple. That is not a judgement against you, rather than of those who would aim to make it confusing to support certain ideals. I believe in each to their own preference, but I would prefer to see accuracy in descriptions.
It is from the side, not from above.
The back incorporates the loins, as defined by the illustration and text (back including the loins) that you quote. I believe that the reason some try and separate this out is because of the shape of the dog/s they are supporting drop away steeply just before the loins, creating that hinged look, which is not correct. All that is said separately about the loin is that it should be broad, short, strongly developed and well muscled. Not that it should dive toward the ground, nor that it should be curved as I saw one breeder describe it.
However, even if this were not the case and the back was simply from behind the wither to the start of the loin, in many showline dogs there is still a pronounced rise in the spine which starts just after the wither. Not straight as illustrated by Tyson von der Schiffslache, and virtually any working line dog you see.
It shouldn't be confusing, it is simple. That is not a judgement against you, rather than of those who would aim to make it confusing to support certain ideals. I believe in each to their own preference, but I would prefer to see accuracy in descriptions.
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