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by HighDesertGSD on 08 March 2011 - 18:03
IMO, chicken by-product meal is likely as good or even better than chicken meal.
First, by definition, chicken by-product meal is chicken meal plus head, feet and entrails.
Second, usually chicken by product meal used in pet food is low ash grade, without head and feet. So low ash by-product is basically chicken meal plus entrails.
The inclusion of entrails in by-product meal lowers the calcium contain, as entrals are boneless.
Some bones are ground in chicken meal, which makes the calcium contain somewhat high.
The bias against chicken -by-product meal vs chicken meal is not justified,may be misinformed, it seems.
Food with chicken meal as the number one ingredient and little other protein sources tend to have higher calcium, say close to 1.5% for high protein version, since ground chicken bones generally go with chicken meal.
First, by definition, chicken by-product meal is chicken meal plus head, feet and entrails.
Second, usually chicken by product meal used in pet food is low ash grade, without head and feet. So low ash by-product is basically chicken meal plus entrails.
The inclusion of entrails in by-product meal lowers the calcium contain, as entrals are boneless.
Some bones are ground in chicken meal, which makes the calcium contain somewhat high.
The bias against chicken -by-product meal vs chicken meal is not justified,may be misinformed, it seems.
Food with chicken meal as the number one ingredient and little other protein sources tend to have higher calcium, say close to 1.5% for high protein version, since ground chicken bones generally go with chicken meal.
by ziegenfarm on 08 March 2011 - 18:03
by product can also mean feathers and poop. these are not dog food.......in my opinion.;
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by Sunsilver on 08 March 2011 - 18:03
Ziegenfarm, no it can't. Here's the definition:
Chicken by-product meal consists of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines, exclusive of feathers, except in such amounts as might occur unavoidable in good processing practice.
I suppose there is SOME poop in the intestines, but I think they clean them out before processing. It does say CLEAN, right?
Chicken by-product meal consists of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines, exclusive of feathers, except in such amounts as might occur unavoidable in good processing practice.
I suppose there is SOME poop in the intestines, but I think they clean them out before processing. It does say CLEAN, right?
by LadyFrost on 08 March 2011 - 19:03
where are hidden cameras...this is a joke right? are we all on TV?..LOL
by ziegenfarm on 08 March 2011 - 19:03
i suppose it makes a difference whose definition you are going by, but i recently read an ingredients listing that included "digest". since i try to keep some of my dogs entirely grain free, i am not at all interested in feeding them anything that has been consumed by a chicken.
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by HighDesertGSD on 08 March 2011 - 19:03
Both chicken meal and chicken by product meal exclude feather.
As for poop, this is what animals eat in the wild, and without cooking first.
The leader of the pack digs into the guts and eat the intestines and the poop in it. When the belly of a prey animal is openned, the alpha animal eats first and he eats the guts, not skeletal meat.
Why is half digested and poop not a good thing after cooking? I think it is.
I wonder if developing eggs a part of entrails. If yes, I think the omega 3 in them makes by-product meals superior. Egg yolk has a lot of DHA.
As for poop, this is what animals eat in the wild, and without cooking first.
The leader of the pack digs into the guts and eat the intestines and the poop in it. When the belly of a prey animal is openned, the alpha animal eats first and he eats the guts, not skeletal meat.
Why is half digested and poop not a good thing after cooking? I think it is.
I wonder if developing eggs a part of entrails. If yes, I think the omega 3 in them makes by-product meals superior. Egg yolk has a lot of DHA.
by HighDesertGSD on 08 March 2011 - 19:03
I believe most by-product meal for pet food, as opposed to for feedstock, is the low ash kind that has little heads and feets.
So why is entrail and developing eggs not superior to skeletal meat?
I think the reason to shun chicken by-product meal in favor of chicken meal is not justified.
Except for one minor consideration.
My doctor told me that the white cartiledge in joints of chicken contain glucosomin and chrodrotin and older people should make a effort to eat them , so by-product meal has a little less of them, as entrail is included. I think by-product meal also has them, just proportionately less. For this reason, I prefer to feed older dogs with either chicken meal or chicken by-product meal as the first ingredient, as opposed to beef meal.
So why is entrail and developing eggs not superior to skeletal meat?
I think the reason to shun chicken by-product meal in favor of chicken meal is not justified.
Except for one minor consideration.
My doctor told me that the white cartiledge in joints of chicken contain glucosomin and chrodrotin and older people should make a effort to eat them , so by-product meal has a little less of them, as entrail is included. I think by-product meal also has them, just proportionately less. For this reason, I prefer to feed older dogs with either chicken meal or chicken by-product meal as the first ingredient, as opposed to beef meal.
by Sunsilver on 08 March 2011 - 19:03
Yes, the developing eggs are part of the entrails. The reproductive system of the chicken is joined to the digestive system. Feces, urine and eggs all come out through the same opening.
This is why eggs have to be carefully washed before being sold...
Lady Frost, where did you get your degree in animal nutrition? I think the OP is making some very interesting, valid points!
This is why eggs have to be carefully washed before being sold...
Lady Frost, where did you get your degree in animal nutrition? I think the OP is making some very interesting, valid points!
by ziegenfarm on 08 March 2011 - 20:03
in addition - i don't know what you are paying for dog food per bag, but i know what i pay: 47 bucks for the cheaper one and 67 bucks for the more expensive one and some others than i have fed fall in the 50+ range. i'll be damned if i am going to pay those prices for the contents you are describing. yup, i've seen some product lists that list by-products and they still charge as though you were getting a premium product. for my money and for my dogs, i want to see at least part of the protein content comes from meat and i want to see enzymes and probiotics added after heat so they are viable. i also want to see kelp and/or alfalfa, fruits and vegetables and maybe a few herbs. i won't pay premium prices for stuff that belongs in the dumpster.
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by HighDesertGSD on 08 March 2011 - 20:03
I am sure they don't wash away the poop in chicken guts. Take it as it is; it is cooked and is not harmful.
http://www.hilarywatson.com/chicken.pdf
I think this article makes good sense. Logical.
http://www.hilarywatson.com/chicken.pdf
I think this article makes good sense. Logical.
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