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by anika bren on 07 October 2010 - 18:10
One of my males has started having REM Sleep Behavior Disorder.
All research has shown up is that there seems to be no research about it in canines.
One vet. at UC Davis has treated dogs with RBD with an epilepsy drug with some having good results. No information on how many dogs treated, the number it helped, how much it helped, etc.
With RBD the body's normal peralysis during REM sleep is disrupted, allowing the body to move with the actions in the dreams, the more violent the dream the more violent the actions. It is different from a seisure in that with RBD they wake easily with no disorientation, just as if waking from a regular sleep.
With Aws only his lower back and back legs at this time are effected. The movement starts out small, but still more than regular REM movements, at times the movement becomes full awake seeming motions which are very strong. Each time Aws wakes to his name or my movement with no problem and no disorientation or uncoordinated movements.
Has anyone experienced this with a dog? If so, did you treat it? With what? What were the results?
by CrysBuck25 on 08 October 2010 - 01:10
My old GSD, Prince, was an active dreamer. Sometimes when he was sleeping, we would hear him whimpering and his feet going, full out, as if he was at a dead run. He used to wake me up at night with his activity, and would easily wake up, which is why I would sometimes throw a towel or something at him...Wake him up and he'd usually settle back down again quietly.
I have had many dogs that did that, and I never had it checked out. Just figured it was like a human dreaming a very vivid dream, and twitching or moving as if they were awake.
Crys
by anika bren on 09 October 2010 - 03:10
The movements Aws is making is more than regular REM sleep. They are more like a Grandmal seisure. He is kicking hard enough to knock over chairs and possibly hurt himself in his crate or kennel. When he lays close enough to one of the kennel panels to kick it in his sleep, it sounds like a horse kicking at the panel. Again because he awakes so easily, it is not epelepic seisures.
by CrysBuck25 on 09 October 2010 - 04:10
When my Prince would get into his dreams, he would be at a full gallop in his sleep, and if there were anything he could hit, he would. Where he slept there was nothing to knock over, but he always woke me up when he did that. I've seen twitchy feet, Oakley and Misty both do that. Prince was full-on running in his sleep, moving like he was awake, but lying on his side.
Very similar to what you describe, I think. I've seen variations of activity during sleep in almost every dog I've ever observed sleeping deeply.
Crys
by Rabdo on 01 April 2011 - 17:04
Hello All,
I'm a (human) neurologist with an interest in RBD. A few comments:
In humans there is growing evidence that RBD is a specific risk factor disorders of synuclein, the pathological protein that accumulates in Parkinson's Disease, Dementia with Lewy Bodies, Multi-system atrophy, inter alia.
Humans can have RBD for up to 60 years before developing the other symptoms, but the mean is around 10-13 yeas, depending on the study.
If the dogs are not confused when they awaken from sleep it is more likely that they have been in REM sleep, rather than in N3 stage sleep in which humans at least can sleepwalk.
Does anyone know any Vet Neurologists with an interest in the disease? I'd like to make contact.
Cheers,
Brendon
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