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by EuroShepherd on 03 December 2012 - 23:12
I don't see any reason why a border collie couldn't get a schutzhund title. Plenty of non-typical breeds have earned schutzhund titles. labs, chessies, I think goldens?, bulldog type breeds, etc.
by Hundmutter on 04 December 2012 - 07:12
Sorry guys - the "Black & White Things" is a jokular British reference to
all the thousands of Border Collies and ISDS working collies that are
in our Obedience and Agility circles. Many people who want to work
those disciplines nowadays go straight into BCs, but time was when
there was a regular switch from GSDs in Ob to BCs, because being
smaller they were faster - especially than some of the longer, more
cumbersome type of Shepherd being worked in those years. It
happened in droves, as more and more people wanted to 'win' rather
than just compete for the hell of it. Collies wrap themselves round
your leg more in Heelwork - which to some looks smart, to me is just
a mobile pain; but then 'leaning on', which used to be faulted, became
desired style !
Of course they are not ALL black & white (I ADORE merles!) - some of
'em are Red & White LOL - or White & Black !
The idea that a Border Collie cannot be trained in ANY discipline, even
though most are a bit light bodily for bitework, would just seem ridiculous
to anyone in the UK (original home country of the Border Collie ...).
all the thousands of Border Collies and ISDS working collies that are
in our Obedience and Agility circles. Many people who want to work
those disciplines nowadays go straight into BCs, but time was when
there was a regular switch from GSDs in Ob to BCs, because being
smaller they were faster - especially than some of the longer, more
cumbersome type of Shepherd being worked in those years. It
happened in droves, as more and more people wanted to 'win' rather
than just compete for the hell of it. Collies wrap themselves round
your leg more in Heelwork - which to some looks smart, to me is just
a mobile pain; but then 'leaning on', which used to be faulted, became
desired style !
Of course they are not ALL black & white (I ADORE merles!) - some of
'em are Red & White LOL - or White & Black !
The idea that a Border Collie cannot be trained in ANY discipline, even
though most are a bit light bodily for bitework, would just seem ridiculous
to anyone in the UK (original home country of the Border Collie ...).
by CrashKerry on 04 December 2012 - 08:12
There's at least one border collie in the SchH3 club.
by Spooks on 04 December 2012 - 08:12
@Hundmutter
There's even black, white and tan ones.
My 2 year old tri coloured BC has loads of drive and tracks fantastically unasked, one large heathland nature park we go to has an abundance of wildlife, mainly rabbits. Once he is let off the lead, his nose hits the ground and he is off running like that for usually the whole hour or so we are there tracking the rabbits and other scents.
His parents were both working dogs on a Welsh hill farm, dad was a large blue merle and mum a small tri and there were 3 merle and 2 tri in the litter [took us an hour to decide which one to choose, as all were stunning]. He has a hell of a grip and can hang on to a tug with my big GSD on the other end until she gets fed up. He will grip on to your arm too if you wrap a towel round it. He's weighs about 21kgs (45lbs).
At the moment I am trying to find out whether he is a full bred BC or a full bred WS or a bit of both as he has a lot of WS traits and IMO the slightly longer legs the WS has.
There's even black, white and tan ones.
My 2 year old tri coloured BC has loads of drive and tracks fantastically unasked, one large heathland nature park we go to has an abundance of wildlife, mainly rabbits. Once he is let off the lead, his nose hits the ground and he is off running like that for usually the whole hour or so we are there tracking the rabbits and other scents.
His parents were both working dogs on a Welsh hill farm, dad was a large blue merle and mum a small tri and there were 3 merle and 2 tri in the litter [took us an hour to decide which one to choose, as all were stunning]. He has a hell of a grip and can hang on to a tug with my big GSD on the other end until she gets fed up. He will grip on to your arm too if you wrap a towel round it. He's weighs about 21kgs (45lbs).
At the moment I am trying to find out whether he is a full bred BC or a full bred WS or a bit of both as he has a lot of WS traits and IMO the slightly longer legs the WS has.
by Hundmutter on 04 December 2012 - 12:12
OOps sorry forgot the Tris 
Have you no papers at all with him, spooks ?
Have you no papers at all with him, spooks ?
by Sunsilver on 04 December 2012 - 13:12
I'm aware it would probably be in all prey with no defense.....
ROTFLOL!!
Try telling the farmers that, the ones who have used collies to protect their flocks, herds and properties for generations!
I grew up with farm dogs. Most had some collie in them, usually Border, sometimes Scotch. With some of these dogs, you didn't dare get out of your car if no one was home! They were awesome watch dogs!
The dog I knew the best played 'hide and see' with us. Whoever was 'it' got Sparky as their helper. It was pretty hard to find a hiding place where you could escape her keen sense of smell!
One day, a salesman came to the farm when my aunt was home alone. He had a loud voice, and waved his hands around as he talked. Sparky positioned herself between my aunt and the man. As his voice got louder, she began to growl at him.
"SHADDDUP!" the guy said, and took a whack at her with his tractor cap.
Anyone who knows collies will know what happened next....
My aunt looked him in the eye, and said, "Now, you AKSED for that! Don't complain!"
Then she took him up to the house to doctor his bitten wrist....
Spooks, what's a WS?
ROTFLOL!!Try telling the farmers that, the ones who have used collies to protect their flocks, herds and properties for generations!
I grew up with farm dogs. Most had some collie in them, usually Border, sometimes Scotch. With some of these dogs, you didn't dare get out of your car if no one was home! They were awesome watch dogs!
The dog I knew the best played 'hide and see' with us. Whoever was 'it' got Sparky as their helper. It was pretty hard to find a hiding place where you could escape her keen sense of smell!
One day, a salesman came to the farm when my aunt was home alone. He had a loud voice, and waved his hands around as he talked. Sparky positioned herself between my aunt and the man. As his voice got louder, she began to growl at him.
"SHADDDUP!" the guy said, and took a whack at her with his tractor cap.
Anyone who knows collies will know what happened next....
My aunt looked him in the eye, and said, "Now, you AKSED for that! Don't complain!"
Then she took him up to the house to doctor his bitten wrist....
Spooks, what's a WS?
by Spooks on 04 December 2012 - 14:12
@ Sunsilver
WS is a Welsh Sheepdog, they are alike to look at but work differently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Sheepdog
@Hundmutter
No papers, he and his 4 siblings were handed in by the farmer to the local kennels who I co-ordinate for (mainly helping find homes by taking pictures of the dogs and putting them online) I went up to take pictures of the litter and was faced with 5 of the most gorgeous, unusally marked hairy outgoing pups I had ever seen. So the task was to sweet-talk hubby into letting me have one, he said 'yes' but there was one proviso... he could name it. Well it took me weeks to get used to the name he gave it.... Steve
I had loosely been looking round for another dog [a rescue] as I have fostered lots of dogs before and was finding it harder and harder to let them go.
I examined every dog and all had had a thorough vet check and 1st set of vaccs, so it then became the choice of which one and when you don't have anything particular, I didn't realise it would be so hard.
I chose the tri at the bottom of this pic
Steve now at just 2 years old. He always stands like that, he is a real poser
WS is a Welsh Sheepdog, they are alike to look at but work differently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Sheepdog
@Hundmutter
No papers, he and his 4 siblings were handed in by the farmer to the local kennels who I co-ordinate for (mainly helping find homes by taking pictures of the dogs and putting them online) I went up to take pictures of the litter and was faced with 5 of the most gorgeous, unusally marked hairy outgoing pups I had ever seen. So the task was to sweet-talk hubby into letting me have one, he said 'yes' but there was one proviso... he could name it. Well it took me weeks to get used to the name he gave it.... Steve
I had loosely been looking round for another dog [a rescue] as I have fostered lots of dogs before and was finding it harder and harder to let them go.
I examined every dog and all had had a thorough vet check and 1st set of vaccs, so it then became the choice of which one and when you don't have anything particular, I didn't realise it would be so hard.
I chose the tri at the bottom of this pic
Steve now at just 2 years old. He always stands like that, he is a real poser
by roughstockkennel on 04 December 2012 - 14:12
Thanks for all of the replies! I definatley have more hope! My 5 month old boy is not a light bodied dog but has quite a bit of bone. I've talked to several trainers and sch clubs in the area! And for those talkining about color, here is a pic of his mom, a red merle with blue eyes. Her sister (his aunt) is the blue merle in the avatar.
nevermind i can't figure out how to upload pics
nevermind i can't figure out how to upload pics
by Hundmutter on 04 December 2012 - 15:12
Mind you, it does depend partly on what being an American Showline
has done to mellow the Border Collies instincts ! OUR working / competition/
flyball dogs have a lot more 'get up & go' to them these days than do most of the
purely show bred lines, something of a split in breed type has occurred since
the KC recognised the breed. Overall still very intelligent dogs though.
has done to mellow the Border Collies instincts ! OUR working / competition/
flyball dogs have a lot more 'get up & go' to them these days than do most of the
purely show bred lines, something of a split in breed type has occurred since
the KC recognised the breed. Overall still very intelligent dogs though.
by Mystere on 04 December 2012 - 17:12
I have seen a BC do schutzhund in a trial and earn a sch title in Canada. Fastest blind search I've ever seen. Grip was not very good, but everything else was there. I think the dog got a Sch II.
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