Is Violett a Long Coat? - Page 2

Your pups are very cute.

I am new to the breed so I am not even completely sure about my guys coat. My breeder said she thought he might turn out to be on the plush side.

The first to pic's show him as he looked his first day at our home, 9 weeks old. The next two at 5 1/2 months and the last two were taken yesterday.... he's 6 months old now.

My boys coat this thick, has an undercoat and while I don't know to call his coat, I don't think it's plush or long. I don't see where your pup is any more of a fur-ball than our Falco was.

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Now, I know the photos aren't the best... the camera, computer and dog are all new to me.... and it's just too much work to get this guy to stack. LOL Hope this helps and if nothing else, perhaps I'll find out what coat my guy has. ;>)

 Can you give the bloodlines of Violett  this would tell you if she carries the genes.

Gator 123, your pup has a normal stock coat.

Paula, I know it is very hard to tell sometimes!!! I look at the ears, and the hair on the hocks and toes, but even then I usually have one in every liter that leaves me guessing!! Sometimes it just isn't obvious. From your photos, I think she is normal, maybe plush...a term that means different things to different people, but I she does not look coated to me. Some people can tell by looking at the face, the hair on the bridge of the nose and where it meets the eyes.

They are not long coated. But i visited your website and looked into the pedigree info on there. The litter has several known long coat producers  in the sire and dams side. So you litter should produce long haired offspring. 

They are not long coated. But i visited your website and looked into the pedigree info on there. The litter has several known long coat producers  in the sire and dams side. So you litter should produce long haired offspring. 

'Scuse me while I get a bit pissy here. This has been bugging me for some time. THERE IS NO SUCH ANIMAL AS A "PLUSH" GSD. Read the standard. Show me where it refers to plush. I have had GSDs for 45 years. "Plush' is a very recent term coined by folks who have too much hair on their dog from what I have seen. (NOTE you NEVER saw this term before the SV got stupid and DQs the long stock coat) . Occasionally a normal stock coat will have what is called a full coat meaning that it stands out from the body rather than lying flat like it should but it is NOT longer. You will also hear the term open coat tho my understanding is most open coats lack undercoat and therefore were always DQd.

Which brings me to the 2nd beef of people not understanding the expression of coat genes in THIS  breed ( I do not happen to believe that the corgi LC gene is expressed in the same way so Blitzen I look askance at the DNA test you so widely trumpet because it was developed based on other breeds). I have said before and stick by  the idea that I think in the long run we will find that coat inheritance is not the simple mendalian formula most people believe it is.  There is an extremely wide variation in the expression AND inheritance of  coat genes within the breed. And NO not all coats have ear or leg feathers. I've seen full coats w/ no ear feathers. I have seen dogs with ear feathers and nothing else or ear and leg feathers (beyond the normal "pants") and nothing else. I have seen a variety of lengths of coats from the dogs w/ ear feathers but normal body coat to dogs that would make a full blown collie ashamed. I do not know other people's experience but the vast majority of coats I have seen have always had undercoat and thus would  have probably fallen under the old designation of long stock coat.  I think I have only seen one coat that was a true long coat that did not have an undercoat.

I think some will agree with me also that at least in some carriers the coat gene appears to give them either a denser of fuller coat. Who knows this in itself may be a variated expression of the coat gene because I have also seen flat coated dogs produce coats.

Old time breeders would refer to dogs that carried a heavy coat factor or a light factor. Because the reality is some dogs well underproduce coats even when bred to carriers and  others seem to overproduce coats. AND YES I do understand about statistics and averages and tossing the penny a hundred times. These concepts came from old time kennels who bred enough to develop their own strains and were breeding males frequently enough for the stats to average out if they are going to.  As I said I think we have a lot more to learn abut the expression and inheritance. Unfortunately, the move by the SV re long stock coats tended to intensify the selection for longer fuller coat dogs as will their separation into a separate variety so as we go forward it is quite likely that the variety in expression and inheritance may be narrowed. as the dogs w/ ear tuffs and nothing else and similiar ilk are selected against by BOTH the normal stock coat variety and the long stock coat variety.

Long coats can be the most beautiful GSD's, and be truly wonderful pets......

More people stop to pet my coated GSD, then any other dog I've ever owned. They just cannot believe how beautiful she is.

Funny how that is, the general public would prefer a faulty dog over a perfect one. Crazy isn't it?

I couldn't agree more with that last comment. My two long-coats attract way more attention than my old stock coat... and he was a beautiful Black and LIght Cream Bi-Color.

From what I understand.... ( and I have two long coats now, and had a standard coat for 12 years....) a longcoated shepherd doesn't have as much or as thick of an undercoat as a stock shepherd... and this is the reason that not only are they disqualified... because they don't have the protective undercoat.... but also the reason they shed less, as it is the undercoat of a standard coat shepherd that is usually raining off of your beloved pooch. Both of my Long Coats don't produce 1/10 of the amount of loose hair as my old boy did by himself. I don't think a long coat has to do with the length of the coat.. .My boy has a medium LONG coat, she has a pretty standard length coat... with feathering and tufts on the ears... but regardless they both don't shed like a standard coat shepherd... not even remotely close!

I don't think your girl is a long coat.. they boy could be.

Happy Holidays!!!

Jacob 

There is no chance she is a long coat. Just big with plush coat. She will grow up to have a super nice coat.

absolutely not