Just another Sport Dog - Page 17

hhmmm you will probably know better than me

Mithunas. Please re read my comment.
Also i don't visit often once a day maybe twice at best.
I never said your friends dog was a nerve bag. I stated a neutral normal environment of allowed visitors i.e. your friends, yourself even stated the behaviour you had to do to appease the dog.

I get your analogy but I'm not worried about tigers and their habitat and protection of their resources. Its a totally different context, people are breeding a domesticated animal. If all humans were wiped out in one day sure that dog would do very well compared to some other dogs, but why be staunch over a normal, neutral situation of his owner having friends over. Why can't he just chill, and put out his intimidation when it's actually required?

From your original post it sounded like this is his behaviour all the time while people are there, hence my comparison of a nerve bag that you have to lock away while friends are there, because that's what I'd do with a dog like that, I want my friends to relax when visiting and for myself to relax also.

You know what´s sad?

All the people involved in this thread believe in training/testing their dogs, be it

Duke
Joanro
Bärenfang
Bav
Vk
( I am sure I forgot several )

Some believe in IPO, some believe in personal tests, but all of you DO TEST, interesting, isn´t it?

Instead of working together, trying to convince newcomers that a GSD should be able to act like a GSD, and that it´s important to be able to distinguish, you start the "my car is faster than your car" game.

First and foremost a car has to be able to drive, but there are slow cars, there are "average" cars, and there are fast cars. The average car is fine for the average driver ( and that´s almost all of us ), the fast car is for the few very skilled drivers, whereas the slow car is no fun, nobody really wants to drive it...but in case the driver of a slow car never saw or drove an average or fast car, he will never know. He´ll be happy he just owns a car and doesn´t need to walk...

No competition = no knowledge

Thing is, a slow car also has it's purpose.

Elderly, Disabled, Families... etc. it's not like there is no use for a slow car at all. It's a SAFE car. And that's what matters the most.

Susie, BE :  

and than there are some that say their slow car CAN be fast car if only handled different

dont you think newcomers shouldnt be informed right, do you know the amount of people who want to get a protection/guarding dog and end up with a pup of the latest auslese or WUSV podiumdog

I know its little more complex than that alone, but information is important

I am in a somewhat unique position. I am one of two GSD breeders right around a military base with decent dogs.
Do you know how many people ask me about puppies and when they hear my price are like "No that's too expensive" and I'm on the lower spectrum of the price. Somehow the price of a well bred working line puppy went all the way up to 2500 in this country and quite frankly, I think it's insane. So I'm sticking with 1500. Anyhow, those very same people then come to my shop about half a year later with poorly bred dogs wanting to do personal protection even though I told them half a year before that they will not find a good dog for 500 dollars.

This happens over and over and over... I'm a very honest person.


And as for the WUSV Podium Dogs, I happen to know the WUSV Podium Dog. That dog produces rather strong dogs. So strong that a few came back because their owners couldn't handle them. The American WUSV Podium Dog lives a mere two hours away from me. I know the dog, and I know plenty of his offspring. They are not just "slow cars" and quite frankly, quite a few WUSV dogs are damn good producers. Dexter (I have a daughter of him and out of one of the most accomplished bitches this country has eve seen, up here and she's anything BUT a slow car), Dinoso, Dino, Dina.... they are producing. I've had a KNPV trainer message me that specifically Dinosos is very well liked in KNPV currently because he seems to be producing well and the Dexter pups stateside are speaking for themselves.

Bolle seems to be producing as well and he was a damn podium dog as well.

I´d never call a dog that participated successfully in any major event a "slow car"... - maybe not always the brand of car Duke is looking for, but for sure a "fast car"...

Only to eplain more accurate: For me a "slow car" is a GSD not able to compete on local level ( trained without "tricks" ).

Barenfang, a "slow car" may have it´s purpose, but nobody will try to win a race with it, nobody will pay much money for it, and everybody willing to buy such a car will know about it´s purpose.

Nobody is going to buy a Lada but awaits a Porsche...whereas in the "dog world" people think the genetically basis doesn´t matter - looks like a GSD, has to be a GSD, and all of them have to be capable of everything...
doesn´t work.

Yes susie...the customers just don't know and the whole system is set up to sell them Ladas while making them believe they're getting a Porsche. I was going to say getting a Porsche at a discounted price but in today's American market...the prices have basically equalized except for those that are truly bottom of the barrel. Today we're basically showing pictures/videos of a car's engine and drawing the assumption it could win a race without even taking it for a test drive...and people are falling for it left and right.

BW - can we see a picture of your "car" or a vid of the "test drive" that you took?