by ValK on 19 February 2021 - 13:02
sharp species in meal not good for dogs as well as onion and garlic.
vegetables and grains which will go into dogs portion need to be separated upon cooking before adding unsuitable for dogs ingredients.
by Klossbruhe on 19 February 2021 - 13:02
While Qman did, I did not mention the word raw, I did not advise raw diets, which I have never used in more than 30 years of feeding dogs...I simply noted in response to Rik saying he had changed the dog's diet to chicken and kibble that both of those often are allergans. Nor did I mean that all kibble, of which there are zillions, cause allergies...depends on the dog and depends on the kibble.
And this thread is neither the time nor the place to discuss the efficacy or lack there of various kinds of diets. But you are right about one thing, there are always converts ready to promote or proselytize their faith in such things whether or not anyone is asking them to...
by Hundmutter on 20 February 2021 - 04:02
Thank you for clarifying, Klossbruhe ! I read 'into' your post that you were not completely excluding raw feeding either - which seems to be enough encouragement for Jillmissal to post what she did. Along with what Bob said - which may have actually mentioned 'raw' but was even-handed about it and by no means proposing it in the way Jill told us was "upthread - because someone always does".
You are right, btw, the raw versus prepared food debate had just been rehashed at length, where that time it had 'taken over' the topic of bitches failing to get pregnant. Enough of us on that thred were pointing out that people should not be made to feel bad about feeding a diet that suits their dogs and themselves, they need to be able to get on with what works for them without being scolded by either the pro-Raw people OR others who prefer kibble SINCE THERE IS ZERO 'ABSOLUTE PROOF' THAT ONE IS 'BETTER' THAN THE OTHER.
by Rik on 20 February 2021 - 09:02
well, that was very well put hund. people who do a lot with dogs usually find out what works for them, and if something is working, no amount of preaching is going to change anyone's mind.
my only purpose in this thread was that I am very surprised that such a seemingl simple/ minor change seems to have made such a difference, but the jury is still out. that and I'm bored.
I wonder is it possible that if a dead horse is beaten long enough and at every opportunity, would it maybe kill the bacteria and soften the bones a little?
by Hundmutter on 20 February 2021 - 13:02
No I agree, 'preaching' is unlikely to change minds. I don't post objections to anybody using a feeding system I don't, even if I think that it - whatever it is - might not be the best available; 'cos I'm not there, I'm not with their dogs, I don't know what capacity they have for storage, I don't know how deep their pockets are. I don't know what risks they consider acceptable, in the light of all that, in terms of bones etc. And I certainly don't know what they have already tried. Or usually what allergies or digestive problems they are dealing with. So parrotting "Kibble good, raw bad" would never occur to me and I'm afraid I get irritated by anyone else who keeps doing that. [Or even were it the other way around !]
I'm not opposed to suggesting people consider those risks, or the 'pros & cons'; I am never anti the idea that somebody might just decide to change from one system to another, (i.e. either way !) for their own reasons. I would always encourage all of us to step back and have a re-think occasionally, because things do change, more info turns up, whatever. That's true of not just feeding, but e.g. of training, or whelping & puppy-management; we can all go on learning. Which is far from being 'told' what we can do / what is acceptable.
As to the softening of bones and reduction of bacteria, perhaps ! - Oh I do wish we had some emojis on this dashboard still - imagine several of those 'crying with laughter' ones ;-)
by ukrhyslop on 21 February 2021 - 15:02
Everyone thinks chicken causes allergies. It is the by products of ingredients that cause the allergens.
I got sick just from the smell of these shipping inspections, not to mention the visual imprint I'll never forget.
by ValK on 23 February 2021 - 21:02
yeah, that what i told in another topic - ppl have no even slightest clue what they feed to their dogs, using processed into granules dog food.
by jillmissal on 23 February 2021 - 21:02
they need to be able to get on with what works for them without being scolded by either the pro-Raw people OR others who prefer kibble SINCE THERE IS ZERO 'ABSOLUTE PROOF' THAT ONE IS 'BETTER' THAN THE OTHER.
ooof, right here is the issue. There is ABSOLUTELY plenty of evidence to illustrate that veterinary recommended kibble brands are WORLDS better than raw. There is evidence to support this. That is the entire point of all of my posts on this issue because people need to accept the facts. Raw is not a good diet. Period. There are many risks including bacterial and parasitical infection to people and pets (people have gotten tuberculosis - the most lethal of all diseases in the world - from feeding raw), antibiotic resistance, nutrient imblalance, GI disease...the list - the VERIFIED LIST - goes on and on.
To the contrary, there is NO PROOF that ANY of the purported benefits of raw are true. As a matter of fact a body of evidence exists to support the conclusion that there are NO benefits to raw, all the claims are false, made up, utter lies.
This is an incredibly dangerous and damaging antiscience trend and I will die on this hill forever and refute every false claim as necessary.
by jillmissal on 23 February 2021 - 21:02
It is the by products of ingredients that cause the allergens.