by Hired Dog on 01 December 2020 - 04:12
After seeing this for a while, I have realized that there is no reason to engage with Valk since everything discussed is useless and goes back to his ideals, so, why waste time trying to bring him up to the 21st Century when he is clearly happy living in the past.
As far as standards changing...it happens every few years in the real world. Weed used to be illegal, dogs were trained to detect it. Now its legal in some States, they tried to train dogs to ignore it, it does not work, so, if your dog hits on weed, just let it go.
How this will play out in court, is yet to be determined. What worked 40 years a go may have been great, for 40 years a go, but, not so much today. Society has changed, legalities have changed, some for the better, some for worse, but, either we adapt or we become extinct.
by Hundmutter on 01 December 2020 - 15:12
I know, HD. All that is true. I do wonder sometimes why I bother to try to keep making readers think about the whys and the hows of our breed's history, what it was like at the very beginning. Maybe I am inclined to be too much of a conservationist; of course things do not stay the same for ever & ever. The breed has evolved over the 100+ years it has existed. And times, and needs, have indeed also changed over that time.
When the complaints about the quality of the dogs seem endless, however, whether that is about preferences as to plusses or minusses of the trainability, or the ferociousness, or the health defects, or the friendliness, or the shape (pick whichever suits your own views), I want to keep shouting: for good or for ill, it is the adaptations people have made to the dog that have caused these changes, through breeding or through rule changes or through medical knowledge improving; they did not happen by themselves. I think we should remember this. A few changes have been beneficial; a lot of them have not. It does not hurt to keep this in mind, when thinking about where we go from here.
by Hired Dog on 01 December 2020 - 16:12
I understand that we are a much softer society today, the needs we have are changing as a result of that, dogs have become more pet-like, all breeds. Is that something I enjoy, to watch former top working animals shy from a paper bag flying in the wind? No, but, again, what am I doing to contribute to make these dogs better...nothing.
I simply choose a dog I like and work it, end of. Now, if that dog does not fit someone else's standards of what a dog should be, too bad, he is mine to train and work.
I was here 40 years a go, I remember what it was like, some good, some bad, just like today, but, I cannot and will not spend the rest of my life thinking about what once was because, again, the past is a point of reference, not a place of residence. Lastly, this post is NOT aimed towards a specific person or event, its a general one for everyone.
by Hundmutter on 02 December 2020 - 06:12
Yeah, I think you have a better, more balanced attitude; and anyway, I'm not aware of you 'complaining' all that much. Some of those who do, however, make me wonder if they even give any thought to why changes have happened. And seem incapable of assessing just how 'bad' one change is, in comparison with others. Or the effects. And then you get the people who have a false idea of what was already there in the breed, and carry on as if the version they prefer was ever the only one.
by bladeedge on 02 December 2020 - 08:12
by Hired Dog on 02 December 2020 - 08:12
Hund, balance is the way...it took me a long time to understand and accept that because genetically, I am a black or white person, same as most of us are.
My current dog is very handler soft, sensitive and at 7.5 months, I have NEVER had to give him a physical correction. When I say this to people, they think its nuts, especially for a young puppy, but, its true.
He tries really hard to please to the point that I love the occasional act of defiance I get. He is a happy dog that lives with 2 females, not GSD, one asshole cat and deals and plays with them all.
He is more defense oriented, his prey drive is starting to bud, but, he will never be a prey dog, which is what I asked for when I was looking for him. at 3 months old, he had zero toy drive, now, at 7.5 months, he will play ball with me for as long as I want him to and he loves it, but, still, not a prey dog.
He has never seen a sleeve, a bite pillow or a tug, but, he loves to tug with his ball on a rope. He has never been worked in any protection exercise and he wont until he is 18 months old because I know what drives he will work best out of and he is too young to do that yet.
He is mostly a pleasure to live with, loves my wife and my sons, will alert on the door, the backyard, the windows or the fence when someone walks by and will charge sounding like a mature dog.
At this point Hund, what more can I ask for in a dog that lives inside the house with my family? Why do I care what anyone else thinks of him or his drives or his attitude?
I hope that he will continue to mature according to his genetics and so far, I have no reason to doubt that and that someday when he is 2, he can be my next work dog.