Reckless Aggression , where does it comme from, and which lines are known to pass it down? - Page 13

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by Blksableworkingdogs on 06 October 2019 - 03:10

apple & valk
I read this a few post back on this thread.... Is this true ??????

"prey driven dog in some cases can turn out to be courageous dog but dog without prey drive by default cannot be brave enough for fight"

by Hired Dog on 06 October 2019 - 13:10

No Emory, you would not have been fired, you would have been arrested and prosecuted, just like those officers, I am sure they would be too, had they deservedly shot that guy and I am sure they knew that too.
BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 06 October 2019 - 14:10

 

 


@ Emoryg officers here today have too many protocols,rules and less compedence make there own decisions



Weak politicians and management, less budget for quality officers



Bad selection skills new officers

Only we can trust today are our 4 legs K9 friends   but with bad quality handlers will get problems too

Suspects who are under unfluence from drugs, medicins , or psychonics are very unpredictable
and have higher pain threshold.

 

 

by ValK on 06 October 2019 - 20:10

Blksableworkingdogs
of course not true :)
courageous nature of dog do not related to prey drive.

by apple on 07 October 2019 - 12:10

Blksableworkingdogs,
Valk inferred that the statement you quoted was what I believed, but I clarified that was not the case at all.
Kinolog

by Kinolog on 09 October 2019 - 03:10

This sounds different from impulsive aggression, which is an undesirable trait in any dog that is not a game breed?

by apple on 10 October 2019 - 15:10

emoryg

by emoryg on 10 October 2019 - 15:10

Great video Apple! I especially like the one where the dog climbs a tree to bite the sleeve. Brought back some memories of a little dog I worked who was part cat. lol

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9dejj8gxfuiqff6/Beny%20Commendation%20%2316.pdf?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6r6uzktmtmw54fz/K-9%20Beny%20Car.jpg?dl=0


by apple on 10 October 2019 - 16:10

I am restricted from dropbox, so I can't see the videos. But we are talking apples and oranges when it comes to the best GSDs vs. the best Mal/DS mix. They are separate breeds and GSDs are not capable of that level of intensity and agility. Throw in dominance and aggression other than prey, and you have dogs that are so extreme most people can't and don't want to train them. They are best used for breeding. Black Malinois said in the old days KNPV trainers were hard on the dogs and that now days, such training will get trainers thrown out of KNPV. He is being politically correct. Some trainers still use extreme punishment because that is the only way to get any control over some of those dogs. It is just kept in the shadows. I also think that part of the Dutch training is to try to amp the dog up and get as much drive as possible as a pup and then try to get some control, which at that point, requires hard punishment. That also helps weed out the softer dogs. It has to do with the sport of KNPV also. It is not a precision obedience sport like IGP. As a result, the KNPV breeders have produced a better working dog when you compare their best Mal X's to the best GSD. Look at the WUSV videos posted here. Those dogs are very nice and their precision obedience is very impressive, which is a combination of a good dog and very good training, but there is less utility for those genetics and training if you are trying to produce police dog, which KNPV does and IGP doesn't.  It is sort like MMA fighting vs. Dressage.

by duke1965 on 10 October 2019 - 16:10

HHMMM , apple, lost for words here, nice assumptions and hearsay

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