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by joanro on 23 June 2016 - 21:06
As for the rest of that post, go to muszlem expert who described the relation of the terrist's gayness with jhad.
by Noitsyou on 24 June 2016 - 01:06
There are probably a combination of reasons why the Orlando shooter did what he did. Would he not have done it if everything were the same but for his religion? I don't know if anyone can say that. Did being a Muslim make him hate gays? Again, I don't know as there are plenty of so called Christians who hate them as well. One who has posted on this thread thinks homosexuality is a mental illness.
My best guess is that this was a guy who was not a good person. He was not a stable person. At some point he decided to add in the Islam factor and went on a rampage. He wasn't motivated by Islam but I think it's safe to say he was influenced by Islamic terrorism. What I'm getting at is that actual terrorists, of any group, have an objective for their terrorist actions. It's not simply about killing people but killing people to achieve some goal in a larger struggle. There is often a symbolic, if not strategic, reason for choosing a target.
With that said, of course there will be future terror events that are actual terrorism. There is no way that banning Muslims or rounding them up here or watching them all will change that. We would be better served learning to live together so we can fight terrorism together. Keep in mind that ISIS kills a lot more Muslims than it does non-Muslims so it's not like "they" all think alike.

by GSD Admin on 24 June 2016 - 04:06

by GSD Admin on 24 June 2016 - 05:06
Hans said: LOL closet gay? HAHA. Sounds like someone is trying really hard to show that shooting was not motivated by Islam. Well in any case they are trying in vain. Because even if he was gay I still mainatain that the shame of a muslim made him do it.
Thats right Hans you know more than his gay lover. Can I get the winning numbers from your crystal ball? It wasn't shame that made him do it, he was crazy like all the other mass murders and by you and the pro-gun people sitting on your hands and actually advocating for more guns you are in a sense a part of the problem. Did you know he searched out psychotic drugs so he must have felt he was losing it. He was crazy whether he was Muslim or not. Plenty/most Muslims do not like ISIS.
So, you are good then with Muslims being allowed to emigrate to the US? And if not then you are lumping them together. And it appears from your statements that is exactly what you are doing. Were you born in America? How did you come to be an American, are you even an American citizen and can you prove it? Can we see your birth certificate? Funny how that works huh? Maybe you are actually a closet communist?
"GSDAdmi: You cannot lump all Muslims into extremists.
Prager: I am not. Why are you? This one is worn out , but still truth: Not all Muslims are terrorists but most terrorists these days are Muslims."
This statement wasn't directed at you so not sure why you felt the need to make it about you - oh forget it, everything is about you.And so we are clear because you don't seem to be clear, I have never lumped them together but you on the other hand well that is a different story. Define terrorism - do you consider the theater shooting terrorism? How about abortion drs who have been shot? What about Sandy Hook? I say if it elicts terror then no matter the cause it is terror. Ask the people in those towns if they felt terrorized. Or you could just pull out that crystal ball and tell us how others feel.
He was gay there seems to be little doubt about that so if he was gay then how did ISIS support him? Surely he must have known it would come out and in all actuality it makes ISIS look like shit, them supporting a gay man and all. Can you get that crystal ball out and tell me how ISIS feels right now knowing the man they praised was actually gay?
Look another gay man has said Mateen was gay. But keep rubbing that crystal ball Hans because you know it all. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283366-orlando-shooters-classmate-he-was-gay
by joanro on 24 June 2016 - 12:06

by GSD Admin on 24 June 2016 - 14:06

by Prager on 24 June 2016 - 14:06
Tu quoque or the appeal to hypocrisy is an informal logical fallacy that intends to discredit the validity of the opponent's logical argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s)......

by GSD Admin on 24 June 2016 - 14:06

by Prager on 24 June 2016 - 17:06
@GSDadmin
1. I must have missed it. Where did Joan made a racist statement.
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2.You are right I had my issues with Joan . But in back of my mind she was always my friend. Hard to understand, I know. I remember good for ever and forgive the negative. If she would call me for help there is no way I would ever refused her. But my MO is once friend always a friend. Regardless of disagreements. For example I will never forget that you were nice to me when I came here to post after some hiatus.
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3.What does me being or not being American citizen has to do with topic of Orlando shooting?

by GSD Admin on 24 June 2016 - 18:06
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