Training to Out - Page 3

@BZCZ

BZCZ said:His grip goes from almost full to half full.  Right there on video big as life for everyone to see. 

Yes he grips less because he is being pulled - lifted off. OMG!!!!

 BZCZ said: And YOU SAID THAT LIFTING WASN"T OUTING!!!! So why is he lifted to out?

 I have NEVER  said such thing, I have said, seems to me  that at least  million times now,  that lifting is  NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!TRAINING  of outing.   Is that clear enough to you now?  Lifting is used for:

a/ means to build the bite  by employing opposition reflex whose existence and mechanics   you are denying even so it was described about 100 +/- years ago as a scientific fact. 

 b/ getting the dog off the perp, or helper, or off sleeve, or off any equipment, or to release the equipment from his mouth. 

 Prager Hans

Prager,

SLow down and read your second line above. 

"Yes he grips less because he is being pulled - lifted off. OMG!!!!"

Then you write that lifting is used to

"Lifting is used for:

a/ means to build the bite  by employing opposition reflex whose existence and mechanics   you are denying even so it was described about 100 +/- years ago as a scientific fact. "

These two statements contradict each other.  We'll leave the third one out for now and focus on this.  How does it do both?

 BZCZ stop trying so hard. There is absolutely no contradiction. The contradiction is in your mind . That is because you truly do not understand what is going on.  There are 2 things going on. One addresses dogs mind - the dog psyche ( wants to bite harder)  and the second addresses physical fact that eventually, he is physically overpowered and loses the grip.    If you can not see that, than so be it.  Take care. And as we in Arizona are saying: "Stay cool!"  :)

 Prager Hans

Someone else want to try here?

BTW if you're teaching that you "physically overpower" your dogs to make them "lose the grip".  You keep that up.

Anyone else think that physically overpowering a dog to make them lose the grip would result in a dog who has conflict with their handler, gets munchy on the sleeve and even would come off on their own in anticipation of being overpowered and pulled off?

Definitely not how I train an out or anything else.

Or. Wait.... Is this another one of those sentences have two meanings things and I'm going to read a different meaning next??

@BZCZ I feel sorry for you,  since it  is obvious that  you can not retain even a simple information.Thus I will be patient with you and say it one more time. Is it 4th or 5th time.  I DO NOT TRAIN DOGS WITH LIFT. So stop saying that I do.  Even my least smart dog gets exercise after I tell him something as many times as I told you. 

@bzcz Here is a question to you. Are you "overpowering a dog" when you'r holding him on the leash  when he wants to attack and pulls into the  leash and you are holding him back?  

No.  You are not overpowering him when you hold the end of the leash.

Course that isn't pulling him off of anything either.

If my power is bigger then his  and I am not allowing him to pull me certain/his desired  direction by means of my physical strength ,.... then I am overpowering him physically. If the dog  is overpowering me then I am "water skiing" behind the dog.  Who ever is overpowering someone or something - has command of greater power then the one who is being overpowered.

Are you disputing that? 

That is only true in your twisted view of constantly being in conflict with your dog.I hold my dog on the end of the leash and guess what? He's comfortable there and not trying to drag me all over.  I communicate with my dog and he understand and accepts that we are staying in this area during protection work.  As he gets older and stronger we'll expand his area.

So again no,I don't overpower my dogs.  I have two new dogs that I got in the last two weeks. One from Germany and one from Czech republic and both of them had no problem understanding that concept. 

If I overpower any animal,, then I am suppressing his drives and his abilities to perform at his potential. 

You should know all this already

Twisted view?  I must  be winning the argument since all you can do is use personal attacks. I am constantly in conflict with my dog? How do you know?You neve seen me train a dog. Actually you have never even met me.   LOL!! You again assume too much. 

 Let me recap:

You say dog biting on the upper part of the sleeve-elbow  is   weak. Haha That one takes a cake!

In your discussion you  constantly insult people and their dogs even so  you do not know them .

you ignore all questions I asked yet you want me to answer all yours. 

you want to see my videos but do not present yours.

You never seen me train but  you know that my training is wrong and in "constant conflict"

I told you at least 6 x that I do not train any dogs by lifting them up but you insist that I do.

 You did not know about opposition reflex but argue to death that it does not work

you dispute 100 years old scientific facts which are widely known, respected and accepted. 

you claim that your dogs never pull on leash..That would includes protection training.   (LOL) I ask. What is wrong with your dogs?  

 you  firmly and simplistically  believe that words and expressions  can have only one meaning and insult a person who tells you otherwise.  

 it is obvious that you  click on your own thumbs up. 

 i can keep going on but it is a waste of time.  

orel much nelapa.