Something Other Than Forced Retrieve - Page 3

Awesome!

I love it when it works! 

It is nice to have lots of options for training the retrieve, it is no good trying a method that the handler is not comfortable with, their discomfort will go straight to the dog.

Yes, please do keep linking to my websites - that's what they are there for!

Louise

O.K. did that video really say stroke the chin to relieve stress?? How about not pinching his ear? That might relieve a lot! And pliers to toes??? I don't have a problem with a prong at all, e collar if it's used correctly ( I have dogs that are a lot of dog and I' ve never personally used one).  I think they are used a lot to over compensate for poor training technique or by somebody that is inexperienced and being out smarted by their dog.  But I use a retrieve, with mine just thought maybe there was something different with sch because that was the only place I had heard "Forced" with it.  I could see you might get "fast" results with that, but I've NEVER had a dog that wouldn't retrieve, had some I had to teach it to, a couple of mine had the same problem hunger is talking about they would go get it didn't really wanna bring it at first, but they got it with some patience.  Some of mine will go get it if somebody other than me throws it, but if I'm around they always bring it back to me not who threw it.  I have 2 that even if somebody is standing right next me throws something will not go get it unless I tell them it's OK, but they always bring it back to me too.  I haven't been in every situation, or dealt with every type of dog, so I can't really critique the method everyone else uses, I would just much rather teach a retrieve than force one. 

Donner, that is actually the mildest "force retrieve" I have seen. (and honestly it did not look that effective).

There are so many aspects to the competition retrieves, that it really is a complicated thing to train. I have watched quite a few dogs taught at various clubs, but am working on teaching a green dog start-to-finish for the first time. Other posters on this thread have more experience than I.

The big thing is find something that works for you, your dog, and is not illegal.... then train:).

---Mary

That's fine if you are not planning on going to the next level of competition and are not looking to pick up points.  If you have a monster drivey dog and can get away with extreme prey on your retrieves, that's fine too but not everybody has that dog and not everybody is creative enough to get anything other than "I throw it, you get it and get back here with it".

not everybody is creative enough to get anything other than "I throw it, you get it and get back here with it"

You think those people are going to do better with force?!

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Duderino, your right, I do like drivey dogs, I also like them just a little mischevious.  I wasn't saying anything negative directed towards you just people in general.  Just like not every approach works for every dog, I realize that not every person can use every method of training.  I just personally wouldn't think doing it with force will get you very consistent results.  Now believe me my house is no cake walk.  Once I know you know what I want if you don't do it there is a consequence.  But my dogs work for me and do it well because there is a bond there, they respect, trust and want to please me, even if they recieve a consequence from me it is never an over correction, I have never used force to get them to do something, if I'm training and a dog isn't getting it, I step back evaluate the situation and think what am I doing or not doing here that is the problem what can I try differently.  

Donnerstorm, forced retrieves do, for the most part, work. And sometimes work very well. --Mary

Hey Hunger4Justice, My 2, 10 month old were the same way. Ezra now comes back right away so she can do it again, first couple weeks, she would not come back all the way. Real close, just not all the way. She pulled the circle routine about 10 feet away. A few hiers later, she comes right to me. Now Capri on the other hand is a bit behind on the retrieve. She almost came all the way on her own today. I say by the end of this weekend she will be there. Praise and Love is all they get for reward.
It seems to work great.
Now when it comes to bitework, Capri is so far past Ezra, I don't know how far behind she is. Capri seemed like she was pre trained for bitework. Ezra is coming along. They are so different and so much FUN!!!      Take Care    Pete

Absolutly AWESOME video gagsd4!!! You are truly living the dream. Your Bodeus is amazing. Nice work. Pete

Does this look like a forced retrieve?