the problem with america today - Page 14

noitsyou, amen. I just wish I could express things as well as you do. My writing skills leave a lot to be desired but I don't give up easily. I think having a black president who has actually done good for the economy is killing the hate mongers and has actually pushed them over the edge. Now the first woman president, it should be a wild ride the next 4 years. Because these people are losing it. They support a racist, hell the guy could rape someone and they would still support him, oh wait he already did rape someone.

Hate. Yep. There is no monopoly on that.

Nice speech though.

Ninja once asked me about the person who runs snopes. I ran across a decent article on the man so am posting it here because a few points he hits says a lot about "the problem(s) with america today". In case anyone wants to read the article https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/01/snopes-com-internet-fact-checker-post-truth-david-mikkelson

Bee, is the hate remark to me? Because I really don't hate. I may dislike or rail against something but hate I think is beyond me. I have a family member who lives with me. Super lazy and has caused so many problems for us, people ask me why I don't evict them and I can't because it is not in my nature. This person even went so far as to try and drive a wedge between me and my wife by saying I was trying to hit on woman. I am just a friendly outgoing person and it is sad that some here see me as something I am not. I am just passionate over things and I don't give up easily. Anyways, if I can't find hate for this person who has hurt me in so many ways, how can I hate people I have never met online. Probably TMI but I do resent (if your hate comment was directed at me) you thinking I hate anyone. I can honestly say there are only a couple people in my life I have actually hated. Yes, I hate racism and discrimination but we should all hate on true haters. And if you think I hate Christians, you would be wrong - I dislike all organized religion. I don't discriminate.

Ooo Kkkayyy, I am awake again now, and it is raining so I can't use my time more productively in my garden, so I will indulge you ladies by enlarging on my understanding, whether you believe that shows an informed intelligence on my part or not. I had thought Admin & Noitsyou were doing perfectly well between them, but it reads as though I need to add "further and better particulars" : Starting with my pulling out the references to show that this perception of "Cultural Marxism" and Political Correctness are an American Problem today:

"For the first time in our history Americans have to be fearful of what they say, of what they write ..."  and

"Political Correctness is deadly serious in its aim, seeking to impose a uniformity of thought and behaviour on all Americans".

I took it that in posting two extracts, even highlighting one of them, from the 'academia' link referrenced, Beetree was concurring with the article(s) she was quoting.  The last of these goes on to discuss the Frankfurt / IRS group's analysis in defining "Cultural Marxism" (though there's no evidence THEY called it that, Gramsci having died in '37).  The term has somehow failed to find its way yet into either of the Dictionaries of Philosophy I have to hand (the British one dated 2008, an American one from 2005).  It is a VIEW of Marxism, (whatever you title it), it is not  some Final & Absolute Truth we have to accept.  (What was that about bringing in Shtal ???).

Admin's article about Snopes, as well as making fascinating reading, was a timely link; if you Google 'Snopes + Cultural Marxism' you can turn up some really interesting pieces, if you are open-minded enough to read them.

Gems like : "Marxist Quotes from Hillary" for example.  Or try this: "Wikipedia's Cultural Marxism article now redirects to ... Frankfurt School conspiracy theory".

https://redd.it/2occ7m

Even that paleoconservative William S Lind, who popularised the view arguing that "Political Correctness is cultural Marxism, it is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms" and that "American citizens, particularly academics,

were afraid of using the wrong words" was also compelled to say:"If Marxism under theFrankfurt school has undergone these alterations, there may be little Marxism left in it." (in a book review on something by Paul Gottfried).

 

On another site in answer to the question "Can someone provide a definition of 'Cultural Marxism' ?", public Comments include the following remarks (from 2007):

Cultural Marxism is a school of Critical Theory, a thing done by and for academics. It is not a strategy or movement.

From GreasyJack -"The key is how you define 'class'. Marx almost exclusively defined class based on what role you had in production...'Cultural Marxists' took Marxist (or more accurately pseudo-Marxist) ideas, esp. with regard to class struggle, and applied them to different definitions of 'class', like race, gender, and cultural groups. However this is all pretty obscure ... it sounds like the term is being used these days as a codeword by the far right to try to equate multiculturalism and tolerance with scary authoritarian-style Communism. I'll bet most people who throw the term around have no idea what it actually means, nor any handle on what is actually entailed in Marxism of any variety."

AcidLamp said - "Pretty much all I've read agrees with your assessment.  It  seems to be used as a buzzword for anything the far right doesn't like."

Giles - "I think the only person using the term (on this site) is RR, and as far as I can tell it is any sentiment falling on the political spectrum to the left of Ghengis Kahn."

And so on.  So perhaps now you can acknowledge there is more than one 'school of thought' on this, that not everything has to be correct just cos you repeat it ?

@GSD Admin in reference to your question who inspired my response, the politically correct answer is, no, it is not you. Noitsyou's comment,

"... It is up against hate. It is up against fascism. It is up against stupidity.

That is what America is up against. It is what I am up against."

...is what struck me as a good speech.

 

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Since you mention Ninja, I do hope one day your inability or unwillingness to hate will extend into magnanimity for Ninja, who once was your close friend. I still hope that he would be forgiven his outrageous postings that were made purely for a reaction, which he got, but foolishly did not anticipate. That he is flawed with such boundaries at times does not mean he has not learned the most important ones to be a member of this site. His wife continues to do poorly and being able to be social on here, again, would be one of your greater kindnesses. 

I simply don't hate at the same rate or desire such a passion as your statement insisting to "hate the haters". Being that judge is fraught with possible problems. I prefer to hate the acts, and not most people. Of course, there are always exceptions, I am entirely human in that.

George Carlin said that political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners. I just thought I'd add to the confusion.

Lawlessness, created by the pospotus....

'This administration has systematically and maliciously attacked and deconstructed all phases of border enforcement,” said Dan Stein, president of Federation for American Immigration Reform. “It’s to the point now where virtually nobody has to go home. ICE is no longer carrying out its core mission, of finding, identifying and removing illegal aliens from the country.

“Agents are in a state of despair,” Stein added. “They are being turned into nursemaids, chaperones and bus drivers.”

Telling people suspected of breaking the law where they can seek refuge makes no sense, said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Center for Immigration Studies.

“It's schizophrenic," Vaughan said. "What the Obama administration has done is to create sanctuaries for illegal aliens and to publicize them. That is fine for a social welfare agency, but not for a law enforcement agency. No law enforcement agency would ever want to broadcast where lawbreakers can go to be shielded from the consequences of their actions.” '

Joan, you really drank the kool-aid. Obama has deported more people than GWB.

"The Obama administration deported a record 438,421 unauthorized immigrants in fiscal year 2013, continuing a streak of stepped up enforcement that has resulted in more than 2 million deportations since Obama took office, newly released Department of Homeland Security data show.

President Obama today is scheduled to address members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, a group that has recently criticized the president on immigration. Last month, the caucus urged the president to take executive action on immigration by extending deportation relief to certain groups of unauthorized immigrants, such as parents of U.S.-born children. Some immigrant advocates have dubbed Obama the “deporter in chief” over the fact that his administration has deported about as many immigrants in five years as the George W. Bush administration deported in eight years." http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/02/u-s-deportations-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/

"“America is expelling illegal immigrants at nine times the rate of 20 years ago; nearly 2m so far under Barack Obama, easily outpacing any previous president,” the Economist wrote in February 2014. “Border patrol agents no longer just patrol the border; they scour the country for illegals to eject. The deportation machine costs more than all other areas of federal criminal law-enforcement combined.”"
http://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/2015/02/25/tracking-obamas-deportation-numbers/

"When it comes to getting tough on immigration, Republican candidates talk the talk, but Obama walks the walk. President Obama has deported more people than any U.S. president before him, and almost more than every other president combined from the 20th century.

Immigration-flow numbers are staggering in both directions. In 2014, it’s estimated that more than 200,000 Central Americans tried to emigrate to the United States without documentation. But the Obama government has been deporting them as fast as it can.

Since coming to office in 2009, Obama’s government has deported more than 2.5 million people—up 23% from the George W. Bush years. More shockingly, Obama is now on pace to deport more people than the sum of all 19 presidents who governed the United States from 1892-2000, according to government data.

And he’s not done yet. With the clock ticking down his final months in office, Obama appears to be running up the score in an effort to protect his title as deporter-in-chief from future presidents. To pad the numbers, Homeland Security is now going after the lowest-hanging fruit: women and children who are seeking asylum from violence in Central America.

“This is the only time I remember enforcement raids on families of women and children who are fleeing some of the most violent places on the planet,” says Royce Bernstein Murray, director of policy for the National Immigrant Justice Center."
http://fusion.net/story/252637/obama-has-deported-more-immigrants-than-any-other-president-now-hes-running-up-the-score/

"During the fifth* Republican presidential debate on Tuesday night, Ted Cruz argued that he didn't support the legalization of people who immigrated to the United States illegally and that securing the border would help curtail the problem. He added some bits of data for emphasis.

"What you do is you enforce the law," he said. "That means you stop the Obama administration's policy of releasing criminal illegal aliens. Do you know how many aliens Bill Clinton deported? 12 million. Do you know how many illegal aliens George W. Bush deported? 10 million."

Those figures aren't accurate. And by the government's numbers, both Clinton and Bush have deported fewer people than President Obama." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/16/the-numbers-ted-cruz-cited-on-past-deportations-during-the-cnn-debate-were-way-off/

Of course this won't matter to Joan since it doesn't fit her narrative. When the truth doesn't convince you, you probably have some form of mental disorder.

In the spirit of continuing and adding to the confusion, apparently Charlton Heston in a speech given at Harvard Law School in 1999 also said, "Political correctness is tyranny with manners."