Let's talk about inbreeding - Page 9

SS, no I was not aware (4 pages back) that ASL dogs were expiring at a younger age, nor any of that other ASL info that fails to capture my attention. I will say again what I said back at the beginning of this thread; that I would never line breed or inbreed on dogs that were selected for "show" characteristics. Never! Ever think that the selection pressures from humans ARE the issue?! Duke said it earlier, and I absolutely agree. Sure, not all popular sires from the working side should be linebred on either, but inbreeding on performance before aesthetics yields healthier results overall.

daryl, here is the point. it does not matter (on this thread, inbreeding) if the goal is ASL, GSL, WL, APBT, zebras or fighting chickens.

the same rules apply. I'm thinking that point passed over you completely. why be rude because someone uses their experience or knowledge to contribute.

Rik

Sunsilver
Val, what are your dogs? Show line or working line?

rather were :)
all was from DDR stock.
last one, bred locally in Canada.

Wow. Okay, now that's a bit of a surprise! I always thought they were healthier, less inbred and longer lived than other types of GSD.

Was the last one from Ontario? I think I know who the breeder might be, if that's the case.

 

Daryl, read the article about Old Blue, the Malthound. The reason the author made up a ficticious breed was so that people would realize this can happen to ANY breed or type of dog. If you think it can't happen with working line dogs, you are wrong. Just look at the bottleneck that's been created with the working line GSD people constantly linebreeding on Troll/Timmy, Yoschy and Fero! 

I've seen what this has produced: dogs that can't settle, can't cap their drive, and get so excited when brought on the field that they scream!

Yeah, they make GREAT house dogs... NOT!

Sunsilver

they were very healthy. we never had any issues other than some injuries.
b.t.w. from my mentor, who was involved with GSDs from 30's, i heard back then lifespan was similar, 9-10 years. very rare that dog did pass into 11.

last my dog wasn't from Ontario. he was rather from "pet" stock. at least breeder are not one, very versed in lines, but strong proponent of "straight back" and good agility and health in dogs :)

 

here he is at 9 or 10 month.

valk, that is a nice dog. also looks like some very nice, tight feet.

Valk, he’s beautiful!

Yes, Valk nice looking for sure!
And I’m with Rik, nice tight feet !!💅🏻

Again, very interesting subject here! I’ve had to get my vocabulary list out to define all these terms.

I am still struggling to keep all the meanings of the words straight! Phenotype / genotype / out-cross/ inbred/ linebred/ .....🤪

I can see why breeding can be an exciting and satisfying endeavor for folks who sincerely have the betterment of the breed as their motivation, rather then the lining of their pockets😡

I imagine it would be quite thrilling to see something amazing come from the cocktail you mix! I’m having a bit of fun here, as I know an amazing amount of science, thoughtfulness, money and a lot of “luck” are involved in making an exceptional drink,,,,
🍸 cHeeRs to ya !

Thanks for a interesting read 😊

 

Phenotype - the outward, visible, physical expression of the genetically-inherited trait. IOW - What you see. From Dictionary dog com: - the observable constitution of an organism. the appearance of an organism resulting from the interaction of the genotype and the environment.

Genotype - the 'invisible' DNA sequence of genetic material that makes up all beings.From Dictionary dog com: - the genetic makeup of an organism or group of organisms with reference to a single trait, set of traits, or an entire complex of traits. the sum total of genes transmitted from parent to offspring.

 

Rik, I'm really not rude, but I'm often perceived that way in writing. Yes, the same rules "could" apply, but sort of don't either. Depends all on the selection pressures. There are things to account for in working line inbreeding, I agree. I wouldn't line breed on the Mink lines or lots of others, but the Yoschy is easily balanced with hardness from Nick or other source. But primarily, vigorous health is a baseline for all consideration. I just don't see show breeding adhering too strictly to that idea, and admit various populations of working lines too. I'd personally be more inclined to throw out the baby with the bathwater than other breeders it seems.