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by Jessejones on 15 October 2018 - 00:10

Valk, I am going to have to call you Mr Negative. 😉 LOL.
He is still a beautiful dog, in the photo.

by ValK on 15 October 2018 - 03:10

Joan, i'm not a scientist to have answers for you how they calculate Clever

Jesse, i'm very much passionate and loyal to GSD breed since my childhood. 
from point of aesthetic, i believe the german shepherd has perhaps most attractive looks from perspective of blended together the beauty, the strength and nobility.
if sometimes i'm sounds negative, it's because so many breeders seems do have perverted perception of beauty of GSD and works hard to cripple the breed either physically or mentally.
maybe it sounds old fashioned but i see physical beauty when GS dog with very little effort can go over 6 feet vertical wall and easy do over 8 feet pit, regardless of coloring, shape of ears or length and fluffiness of tail Tongue Smile

by duke1965 on 15 October 2018 - 06:10

well joan, that is a political answer, meaning, you are saying a lot without actually answering the question, as it is factually impossible for any breed or  species to find unrelated blood to outcross to in the way that the term outcross is interpreted by most

 

I will leave it at that

by ValK on 16 October 2018 - 20:10

after a little thought, I edited my comments. there is just no way in 130 years of GSD that this pictured GSD ended up in the hands of such a novice.

and in my years here, there is only one who could pull this off. and he has made me laugh many times.

congrats to you and your helper "valk".

my apology Rick, i'm totally lost. what it's all about?


Jessejones

by Jessejones on 16 October 2018 - 20:10

Valk says:
„Jesse, i'm very much passionate and loyal to GSD breed since my childhood.
from point of aesthetic, i believe the german shepherd has perhaps most attractive looks from perspective of blended together the beauty, the strength and nobility.
if sometimes i'm sounds negative, it's because so many breeders seems do have perverted perception of beauty of GSD and works hard to cripple the breed either physically or mentally.
maybe it sounds old fashioned but i see physical beauty when GS dog with very little effort can go over 6 feet vertical wall and easy do over 8 feet pit, regardless of coloring, shape of ears or length and fluffiness of tail.“

Me:
Uhhuh, Uhhuh....I agree totally. I am sad that the gsd has been divided up into so many categories and colors.

To me it is a shame to keep narrowing the gene pool more and more by dividing up the breed through breeding on colors, weird body shapes, sport or show, long or stock coat, ‘flavor of the year’ VA champions, where the kennel can earn a quick quarter of a million dollars on stud service for hundreds of pups. It makes no biological sense.

They are all gsds and the only thing that should matter is form and function ...and temprament....and I dont mean function in form of a silly staged dog show „floating trot“ either. I mean function in real life as Valk says.

I dont mean to be negative to show dog affectionados, there are many, many beautiful ones I know....but some no longer are functional. I’m sad and sorry about that. Hopefully trend will reverse. Hope I’m not out on a limb here...


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 16 October 2018 - 21:10

Jesse, you definitely ARE NOT out on a limb!

Many of us feel the same way about the breed.

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 16 October 2018 - 21:10

Rik, you talked about getting a Lucie von Starkenberg lookalike 'from the top show line kennel in Canada'.

Am curious to know what the kennel name was!

You can PM me if you don't want to post it publicly.

And yeah, any dogs that resemble the very early dogs in the breed are NOT going to do well in today's show rings, where usually only the most extreme dogs get the ribbons.

Prager

by Prager on 17 October 2018 - 07:10

I just had an epiphany. Breeding in lines enables us to prevents inbreeding problems in an organized way. Because if you inbreed or line breed in line then you can outcross into a different line. problem solved.

1Ruger1

by 1Ruger1 on 17 October 2018 - 13:10

Jesse you said,
“...maybe it sounds old fashioned but i see physical beauty when GS dog with very little effort can go over 6 feet vertical wall and easy do over 8 feet pit, regardless of coloring, shape of ears or length and fluffiness of tail😝...”

I’ve heard these exact words from my fiancé many times! Lol
I’ll say ( about a WGSL ) isn’t he just beautiful!! ,,,, his reply is always the same,,,,”a dog working is beautiful”,,,,,🤗
 

by duke1965 on 17 October 2018 - 19:10

jesus maria Prager, thats what Im saying all the time LOL

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