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1Ruger1

by 1Ruger1 on 15 September 2018 - 19:09

This is a quote from a member on a thread I’ve been following,

Admin edit......Now Ruger if anyone should know the rules here it is you. Do not question Mod decisions on the forums, PM if you must

I have always been the type to research things, rather then just follow the herd.... Being a nurse I understand the temptation people have to just go with whatever the docs say or whatever the latest and greatest things are unfolding in the medical world ,,, I will tell you unashamedly that one must be an independent thinker with regard to our/ and our pets health concerns etc. It serves us well and serves us best to research things and to be opened minded to a holistic / natural approach as much as using modern medicine because both are beneficial and work best hand in hand, which leads me to this quote by jillmissil. I would like to ask what proof she has to qualify this statement. If one makes these kinds of statements it’s fair to question the reasons why they feel this way. I would like to be informed of something I may have over looked in being supporters of this particular group. I await a response and thank you.

Jillmissil said....

",,,, I'm afraid you look ridiculous when trying to defend the likes of Mercola and Becker, especially with their own self-written bios from their web sites. They are notorious frauds. What they do is ridiculous, manipulative, and dangerous. What a world we live in - a mere two generations after scientific advances expanded lifespans by many decades, a big chunk of people are ready to reject those advances, and science in general. Amazing. (FYI Jean Dodds is not a vet. She does not have a license to practice. I'd warrant she's unable to get one and Becker is probably not far behind in losing hers.) "I am not naive enough that I think someone knows everything" Of course no one knows everything, not even a doctor or a vet. But a veterinarian - a legitimate practicing and licensed veterinarian, not one performing quackery and online buffoonery to pad their own pocketbooks - knows more than you. They also have access to a lot more information than you do. You don't, actually, know what's best for your dog when it comes to medicine. You're guessing based on emotion, online reading, and your own ego. I say that knowing that I fall into that trap sometimes too. Anyway, honestly I realize it's a waste of time arguing with the Dodds/Mercola/Becker acolytes and raw food/wellness/antivax advocates - beyond hopeless. It's sad to me that this sort of non-scientific advice is so pervasive especially when it misleads new dog owners or, worse, people worried about the health of their animals and willing to grasp at straws (which is of course what the Mercola people set out to do - manipulate people's emotions). For anyone on the fence about this - listen to your vet. If you don't like what they say, go see another vet.....”

 

 

 


Jessejones

by Jessejones on 15 September 2018 - 19:09

Ruger-
About Jillmissals crazy post that you quoted in full length above...
Well, where to start? I posted previously on the last thread, but to add to that:

First and foremost, Dr. Dodds is a veterinarian. How ridiculous to claim otherwise. Dr. Dodds might be the most well known veterinarian in the USA and Canada. As is Dr. Becker. This is just plain dumb to claim otherwise. And if Jillmissals has proof, then she/he should post it and not just act like a big Pharma troll. No insult intended, but his/her harsh claims are strange. IMO..........

1Ruger1

by 1Ruger1 on 15 September 2018 - 20:09

Jesse~ I am confused about the post as well and that’s precisely why I am asking for clarification here. It sounds outlandish based on what I have known from these sources. She uses strong words to describe them “buffoonery” “quackery” “padding pockets” “guessing” “manipulate”,,, I believe an explainarion of proof to support this is appropriate.

If it be true then by all means, but one must have some type of proof to support claims like this. Articles, statements by them that clearly show examples of harmful advice etc etc ,,,

Otherwise the finger of quackery is being pointed in the wrong direction here lol 😝! ....


Jessejones

by Jessejones on 15 September 2018 - 20:09

Ruger-
Mercola and Mercola readers are used to big Pharma trolls speaking in that manner with that exact wordage in the comment sections. Not new there.
It is strange indeed to read the same wordage here too without any reason to post that way.

Suppression of alternative remedies is alive and well, and always has been, going back a hundred years or more. But especially now in social media. School medicine (big Pharma) has always battled against alternative medicine, especially in the USA. I lived in Germany for 25 years as an adult, now live in the USA again, and naturopathic medicine and school medicine is much more integrated together over there than here.

ADD: There are doctors in the USA that use both, but it is not common. Danger of law suits for un-protocoled therapies are very real (protocols are made 99.9% by big Pharma and taught in medical school).

Like someone said earlier, follow the money. Naturopathic things usually can’t be patented. No big money to be made for stockholders.


 


1Ruger1

by 1Ruger1 on 15 September 2018 - 20:09

Jesse~ I agree with your posts!
It’s almost always about money. And with money as the primary motive, safe and affective naturopathic medicine is not on the script ,,, Nothing new sadly ,,,, Speaking to your other comment also with regard to docs that practice both ,,, what Dr’s prescribe to thier patients and what they themselves pactice in their personal lives can be very different. And this is because of money too, as you said lawsuits etc,,,,


Jessejones

by Jessejones on 15 September 2018 - 20:09

Ruger-
You’re right...nothing new sadly. 😟
Good point about some docs and what they prescribe themselves vs to patients.

by ZweiGSD on 15 September 2018 - 22:09

I, too, was going to ask for proof about the claims made on Dr. Dodds and Dr. Becker. Jillmissal also lumps antivaccine in there but anyone that reads anything by Dr. Dodds or Dr. Becker know they are against OVER vaccination.

I agree with big Pharma having their hands in things but don't forget about the big pet food companies (Mars and Nestle being two of them).

by joanro on 15 September 2018 - 22:09

The veterinarians that I have seen, and avoid using, like the money they get pushing drugs for big pharma and when side effects occur, the vet does get the added benefit of prescribing drugs to counter the first drugs and on and on...those vets don't see advantage in healthy dogs.

But to claim they are ' brainwashed' is rediculous. They make the choice to go into business with the drug companies.
Same with selling crap dog food that make dogs unhealthy. Endless illnesses to make money off.

There are veterinarians, like mine, who work to make a sick dog healthy...not create illness to treat endlessly because of side effects.




1Ruger1

by 1Ruger1 on 15 September 2018 - 23:09

Joanro~ I’m going to hazard a guess and say that most veterinarians have the right motives for going into their field of study,,, Which is their concern and love for creatures....
I don’t think anyone here at least what I’ve read has insinuated anything different. However, saying that, their training over time is designed to reshape their ideas and sadly things like the business, drug companies, etc etc begins to play a role in their thinking.
And I might add that they can get, like some medical doctors do, a sort of “god complex” about their study and credentials that somehow always wants to trump the naturopathic common sense medicine that many believe in, and do so with very good reason.
I have loved and respected my veterinarians over the years, but I have not always taken their recommendations especially when it contradicts what I know through research of my own not to be in the best health interest of my animal.





 


1Ruger1

by 1Ruger1 on 16 September 2018 - 00:09

Let me add for the record that one must be very careful about self diagnosing and listening to what can legitimately fall under the heading of “quackery”. I have respect for veterinarian medicine and for those who dedicate their lives to its study, but there is more to healing, health and wellness then what they offer.
Please be wise not to error on the side of either extreme.
Most want what is best and also within are means for our animals.😊






 


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