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by Entwerfer Haus on 06 July 2020 - 04:07

I stopped reading your post after the first couple of sentences.


I would have taken my puppy, turned around, walked out and never looked back, the FIRST time he 'hit' my puppy. Additionally, I would have followed-up with a review.

by Hired Dog on 06 July 2020 - 06:07

I have never had anyone train my dogs so I cannot comment on how others do it, however, I am very big on NO ONE ever correcting MY dog other then me, end of.
If I believe that my dog needs a correction, it will get it, no question, but, you dont get to put your hands on my dog.
Having said that, prong collars work, but they are not a substitute for training. I used them for decades, never had a problem and they always produced results.
As far as training credentials, something here does not smell "kosher", but, I will leave it at that. If you dont like this trainer, move on, find someone else who agrees more with your philosophy and have your dog trained by them.


by Sunsilver on 06 July 2020 - 08:07

Nature Dragon, of course you dog's bloodlines had nothing to do with his ability to train her. What he did just shows how ignorant he was, and how prejudiced against any dog that wasn't a working line. Your dog has some extremely good working line dogs in her pedigree, BTW, so he even got THAT wrong!

Edit: if you go back far enough, there are some 'showline' dogs in the pedigree, but they are around the time the split between the show and working line dogs began, meaning they are so far back they really don't matter. (Okay, anyone who's studied pedigrees would be happy to see names like Uwe v. Kirschental and Mutz von der Pelztierfarm in a pedigree, no matter how far back they are.. ;)

by jettasmom on 06 July 2020 - 09:07

I would report this person to USA being a judge he should have consequences not saying anything just keeps this idiot doing it to other puppies. Hopefully you don’t turn a blind eye.


by GK1 on 06 July 2020 - 10:07

generally speaking…and tangential to the op.

“training credentials” can be laughable in an unregulated, non-standardized industry. dime a dozen so-called professional trainers, judges, etc.  some of which were failures elsewhere in the professional world, even convicted felons. 

even some popular clubs have an agenda; like peddling their own line of dogs - and not beyond demeaning those produced elsewhere. 

group training helps the pup/handler focus with nearby strangers and their dogs, but most basic puppy training can be done solo. no shortage of books in the library, online tips and blogs, youtube, streaming courses for a fee, etc.. 


by Dawulf on 06 July 2020 - 11:07

What in the ever living f.....

The guy is a USCA JUDGE?!

Run fast, run far. Your puppy deserves better.

by NatureDragon on 06 July 2020 - 11:07

Yes and many people in the area go to his IPO club. He is a USCA judge and has been active for many years, been on the board, ect. I'm not a USA member. I have a scorebook, but it is from years ago for a dog (not a GSD) who has since passed and I was only a member to get him a scorebook for his competition.

by ValK on 06 July 2020 - 11:07

10~11 month dog definitely not puppy anymore.
first act upon seeing the stranger, that dog went to... greet. what about "GSD should be aloof, alert and untrusty toward strangers"?
is those criteria not included in latest edition of GSD standard anymore?

"He smacked her on the head for jumping up on the counter. Then she tried to lick his hand" - i guess the smack to head wasn't enough dramatic for dog, if she did continue to show attraction and affection to those person.

it's much easier to blame someone but take a look at yourself. sure, foremost it's breeder's fault for producing "social butterfly" dogs but if you have such highly social pup, why you did wait for almost a year, before deciding to start a simple basic of behavior teaching? after all it's not rocket science and mostly all dog's owners taught their dogs, irregardless of breed and without the help from outside, just for purpose of co-living of that dog with human in household.

no one know the dog's owner and the trainer and what and how exactly happened but immediate responses went in a way overwhelmingly dramatic tone. wondering why no one yet suggested to take that trainer to court and sue for a million in compensation :)


by Sunsilver on 06 July 2020 - 12:07

even some popular clubs have an agenda; like peddling their own line of dogs - and not beyond demeaning those produced elsewhere. 


I seriously wonder if that may be the case here. Your dog has a very nice pedigree, as I said before. 


by Koots on 06 July 2020 - 12:07

Try to find another dog sport club - there is more than just schutzhund (in it's many abbreviated terms since that was used) - there's French Ring, Mondio Ring, PSA/PDC. Not sure where you live, but hopefully there's some group training 'locally' to you. I travel more than 3 hrs to attend my IGP training group (not officially a recognized club yet) every 2nd weekend, and do training at home every day (multiple times a day, short sessions as my pup's only 14 wks). There are FB groups for training as well:    IGP Trainer's Group    Ivan Balabanov Group    PSA in USA    Ring Group    Mondio Ring USA group

Even if you don't join a dogsport group, AKC training has more facets to it than just obedience, including scent work, tracking, etc.    

I have trained in schutzhund, Ring, and police K9 work and learned something from every discipline.    Keep your training fun and engaging, and above all remember there are two components to a dog's learning:   TEACHING and TRAINING.    One must TEACH the dog first before you can TRAIN the dog.     Hope you find something that suits you and your dog.   



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