Dr Raiser - Page 2

Yes! I think there are more and more of us trying to get BOTH ends of extreems back together. It's not going to happen over night, forsure. But some of us out there are stiving for just that....correct conformation AND hard nice working drives, stable temperaments etc. Not to be a braggart...but take a look at Yentel v Bullinger's Gallery. Those are some really nice bites and grips from a show girl with 6 world siegers in 4 generations!!! They are out there!! We just need to get both camps together. Think that will ever happen? lol Deb castlebrookshepherds.com

I think it will have to trickel down from the leaders for it to happen on the larger scale. What if we had to compete in both the Sieger show & the National Championships to be named top dog (like the Universal)?? But I mean what if we HAD to compete in both not by choice?? That would do it simple as that!! Top dog of the year would not be the top show dogs of the world and it probably would not be the top work dog either!!!! It would be the most rounded dog like the universal sieger but it would be titled Sieger for that year..If nothing else it would get the dogs closer to the middle. Surley the top breeders that produce dog after dog that go VA have the knowledge and the ability to do this. If they can take the GSD and mold it into what they have in these short 20-40yrs they would be able to get it back to the middle just as fast. "RIGHT"

Seems to me: Everyone has strong opinions about how other breeders or top breeders should breed, but do very little THEMSELVES to put into action their breeding ideas. In order to convinse other breeders to follow your ideas, one should be able to prove that what you advocate really works. Anyone can pick apart or criticize other breeders, dogs or progeny, but if one sincerely believes certain breeding practices and choices should be employed, then put these principles into action. Let's see the results of one's ideas and theories in breeding. Do they really work? It's all well and good to expect other breeders to live up to our personal expectations and theories in breeding, but is it realistic? Unless you can practice what you preach and demonstrate that what you say really works, one can't expect others to follow your ideas in breeding.

Hundguy has an excellent perspective. Basically breeders will try to breed whatever is required to be successful. Simple as that. If the judges start putting up pink German Shepherds. Breeders will be seeking pink dogs to breed to. Those that watched the protection at the USA show in Bakersfield may have noticed a big difference from previous years. I've seen some squeakers just getting by at the previous shows. Not now. Check out the percentages of sick dogs and those that did not pass compared to previous years. I left the show with the impression these dogs are going to have to work from now on. Better get ready. No need to waste time on a dog that won't work. Better figure out this schutzhund stuff and get a decent trainer too.

Good post Dog1. I really feel that the top breeders are what I consider highly competitive. Whatever it takes to get to the top they can and would do it. They are go getters and want to be at the top. I was talking about top leaders in the political part of the organizations Joanna. Is that what you were talking about???

Hi Joanna, I like your comment! Being the only American to have competed two times in the BSP, I can tell you first hand, that it is the same over in Germany as what you are hearing in this forum. As competitors, we used to always laugh, as the "side-liners" did all the talking and criticizing. If they only spent as much time concentrating on their goals, they would not have enough time to talk the talk. Anyway, we working breeders should concentrate on the temperment flaws we have within our working-lines. That is enough of a problem without even thinking of the show-lines. Besides, what really matters is that people are enjoying what they are doing, a hobby that make them smile. MO

I have an 8 month female GSD, my 3rd GSD. The family dog was a sable working male that my father bought in Belgium. The second was a beautiful show dog (male) that possesed good drive. My present pup fit the bill of what I was looking for. Her father was progeny of V dax V Haus Lach and VA female. The mother's lineage includes some of the better known working dogs. The result is perfect so far for what I was looking for. Will the result improve the breed? Ask 10 experts and recieve 10 different answers. There are many good show breeders today producing excellent all around dogs...unfortunatly many of the show pups in my local ScHh club are unsuited for the challenge.

What years did you compete at the BSP Marco Osorio?? :::( I can tell you first hand, that it is the same over in Germany as what you are hearing in this forum. As competitors, we used to always laugh, as the "side-liners" did all the talking and criticizing.)::: When you say used to always, does this mean you do not compete now??? And what does this have to do with Dr Raisers speech??

Ryan, with Dax, you have good working ability, too. In the bloodlines, you have several times SchH3, FH 1-3, HGH and structure. Structure is key to being able to do the work for which the GSD was designed. Perhaps, combined with the working female, you will enhance the working drive, as well. Do you plan to show your dog? Keep us posted on the ratings. Maybe you've hit the jackpot.

Cicel How right you are! There are always those standing on the sidelines, who talk and talk. After you look behind their words and see the dogs they're producing, one realizes many don't WALK the WALK. It's far too easy to blame others for unsound dogs or to generalize by labeling dogs by their pedigree. I haven't met a dog yet, who can read his pedigree to determine his future :-))