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Mithuna

by Mithuna on 13 April 2017 - 23:04

I recently spoke to trainer who told me about his strong preference for aggression that comes from the dog's innate being rather than aggression that comes from prey possession. He explained that innate aggression tend to have more " heart " and is better to work with than prey possession type aggression. Any one has similar experience and would like to share perspectives?

by vk4gsd on 13 April 2017 - 23:04

All aggression is innate.

Do you mean training?

Or are you asking something about prey aggression versus some other form of aggression?

Your post makes no sense.

Mithuna

by Mithuna on 13 April 2017 - 23:04

ok its prey aggression versus some other type of aggression which seems to come from a more internalized place of the dog rather than aggression as a response to keeping possession.

by vk4gsd on 14 April 2017 - 00:04

All aggression is triggered from external stimulus. You realise innate just means genetic effectively.

Its no different to herding instinct, it is innate.

Training can only bring out a dog's innate potential or suppress it.

You really seem to be going further backwards in your knowledge.


Chaz Reinhold

by Chaz Reinhold on 14 April 2017 - 00:04

Ok, so your trainer doesnt articulate well. Does he mean that he likes a dog that works in defense more than prey? There's nothing wrong with prey drive in protection. Watch a Malinois do a courage test. They don't gather like other breeds. I like a nice balanced dog that has high drive in all aspects. Your trainer is old school and doesn't understand the benefits of having a dog that can tap into multiple drives . Defense is a fear based drive. I'm not going to get into thresholds, etc, but depending on what you're doing with the dog, prey drive can be essential. Sport dogs definitely need good prey drive. For protection and obedience. It can even be used to motivate in tracking. For your trainer to poo poo a God given blessing, and not use it to his advantage, tells a me he Is stuck in the Kohler era.
I like a serious dog. Don't get me wrong, but how good is his obedience, escape, blind search, courage test etc going to be? Ok, you just want a PP dog? Great! Tie him to a post and civil agitate him til you get something special. If it doesnt come right away, have your trainer flank the dog to get it started.


Chaz Reinhold

by Chaz Reinhold on 14 April 2017 - 01:04

I understand not wanting your dog to look at the helper/decoy as a giant frisbee, but to not use a drive to your advantage is like having a tool box with nothing but 9/16" wrenches (12mm for the rest of the world).
I understand wanting a dog that brings the fight to the man, but none of these drives come from the heart. They're all upstairs. That's why you need a clear head.





 


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