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Mithuna

by Mithuna on 20 October 2016 - 22:10

I had a recent chat with Ma Ming of Haus Ming and he was very gleefully nostalgic about " old bloodlines" dogs. He mentioned to me that quite a few persons were requesting him to bring back the " old strong " breedings ( which he mentioned will be allowable on frozen from next year in the org to which he belongs ). He spoke tough dogs bred by kennels like the Maineiches, Korbelbachs, Buseckerschloss, Stholhammer, and Salztalblick . He also spoke of a dog bred by him ( Collin Haus Ming ), a dog with both very high drive and very high aggression.Collin had to stopped at PH 1 because they could not get him to stop going for the helper's chest, and on which he broke a tooth. He was very appreciable of Lord G whom he met; he mentioned that Lord was very outstanding in protection and tracking, but no so good in ob because he was of lower drive. He also had great praise for Gildo K, his grandson Gary K, Nessel v Haus Antverpa  and Gento H Larwin,
Anyone likes these older strong dogs, and what's your take on them ?


Cutaway

by Cutaway on 20 October 2016 - 22:10

"Stalztalblick" do you mean "Salztalblick" or are you referring to a different kennel?

Mithuna

by Mithuna on 20 October 2016 - 22:10

Thanks Cut ...I corrected the spelling . Yes its Salztalblick

Cutaway

by Cutaway on 20 October 2016 - 23:10

I am very partial/biased towards the Salztalblick/Salztal-Höhe kennel. Also really like Teufelkehle & Tiekerhook


Mithuna

by Mithuna on 20 October 2016 - 23:10

What about them do you like?

by Gustav on 20 October 2016 - 23:10

Balanced drives, natural sharpness, and biddable.
Now let me preface this by saying all GS in past were not great, and there are many superior GS today. But the specialization of breeding for angulation, color, big heads/black sables, show, has created giant numbers of the breed that no longer can function in past venues.
The difference in then and now is that most litters had one or two dogs then,  that could do LE/Military work, and one or two pups that could be guide dogs or SAR or real farm/ herding dogs.
But today you have HUGE segments of the breed that none of the pups in the litter will be capable of doing any of the above in a real environment and or not a familiar landscape practiced on or in countless times.
These dogs constitute the majority of the dogs in the breed and the only place you see them anymore is breed ring, obedience ring, and living room.
This is dramatically different from the times past, therefore making the breed overall NOT the working dog it used to be.
You can't disregard the breeding practices of these breeders that have made their dogs so soft, so sensitive, so weak nerved, so unresilent, and then tell me the breed is in better shape.
The dogs of the past did have these issues also, but nowhere near as prevalent as it is today in large segments of the breed.
Many breeders are breeding GS so they are really Goldens with ears that stand, wonderful pets,( and I'm not denigrating pets), but the dogs of past were hardier, you seldom saw that " worried" look in their eyes especially when confronted with something new. I know whole groups of breeders that make all kind of excuses for tail tucking, worried looking dogs....usually starting with the dog was hollered at when small thus constituting the dog has life long effect of this fearfulness. It's pathetic!
And it's the result of breeding practices,( often from renowned breeders) breeding for a ribbon or trophy instead of a good strong dog....which is what the breed should be.
Ok, that's my yearly rant, I won't go on another until 2017....lol
Yes, there were problems back then, for sure, but the median GS then was more representative of this breed in function than today,imo.


Mithuna

by Mithuna on 20 October 2016 - 23:10

Great petspective Gustav. One thing though a single negative experience can be traumatic. 15 years ago ( and as an adult ) I was stucked in a small elevator for 20 mins on a Sunday in the height of summer ( at an NYC college building ). Up till this day I am reluctant to use an elevator. They idea of giving 100% control to the machinations of the elev , even for a few mins is pretty scary. While it can be an easy excuse , it is possible that the effect of a strong negative experience can stay with a dog for a long time.

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 21 October 2016 - 13:10

Mithuna, what Gustav is saying is literally true. There are people and even trainers out there who believe if you 'holler' at your dog (yell at it, speak to it in a harsh tone) you can scar it for life

They believe a dog should NEVER be corrected, and of course, if it bites someone, it's that person's fault because they looked at the dog funny.

They are the same crowd who believe you can raise your kid without ever telling it 'no'....  Roll eyes


Mithuna

by Mithuna on 21 October 2016 - 15:10

So Sun
How do you explain the 15 yr and continuing trauma after being locked in an elevator on a SINGLE occasion.

Koots

by Koots on 21 October 2016 - 15:10

Mith - are you trying to compare the human psyche with a dog's? Because if you are, that would be the ultimate anthropomorphism.





 


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