New Diamond Product Issue - Page 2

eagle pet?????????????? Is this EAGLE PACK???????? PLEASE tell me 'no'!!!!???

I'm no expect but, worked with feeds for a number of years. State inspectors can randomly and probed feed bags for samples that were then sent to the state labs for testing. Anything out of range of labeling was given a stop sale order. All product had to be removed from shelf or warehouse and returned to manufacturer. Now granted during the time samples were being tested and we received results sometimes the feed was already sold or fed up. We never had a problem with aflitoxin that I can remember, but it was something that we watched for. In certain conditions the toxins develop and it becomes visible under a black light. One year, several years ago, we checked each sample we pulled from trucks during harvest. Any grain, under the right conditions can become infected with a variety of problems. Unfortunately, it seems that the company in question believes that 1 ppm for humans also includes other animals as well, instead of figuring that a dog may be less that 1/2 of what a human might wiegh depending on different sizes by breeds. I do not know of any humans that normally consume dog food, although I'm sure there are some out there somewhere...... This is another reason it is extremely important to know about the feed you are feeding. I hope that the dogs involved in this situation are now OK and do not have any long term problems from their poisoning by toxins. Please do keep us posted on the outcome. Marsha Seck

I guess if you really want to feed your dogs a safe food...you should make you dog food yourself.And makes sure of where you get your ingredients. Maybe raise your own. Dog kibbles are all about convenience. We only hope that who ever is making them is doing a good job in "quality control' Lets face it human error is in all aspects of manufacturing. Including human consumable foods. Ever check out the FDA recall site? Chris should try to get the testing done by Cornell to be sure as to what the heck is going on.

Please accept the following correction: Above I stated Nutro as a Schell and Kampeter product, that was a typo it should have read NUTRA! not Nutro

You said only 3 feedings.What food was Chris using before?

Thank you Diamond for your information. I believe that for what it is worth, when blaming an illness on food, it is most prudent to do the most definitive study or samples possible. Diamond is correct that more often than not, metabolites or the contaminant itself can be found in urine easier than in vomit. The literature is quite clear as are the regulations about what are acceptable levels of contamination of all varieties in both human and animal feed as concerns the most common mycotoxins. Do not kid yourself, we all eat a variety of contaminants in our foods, just as do our animals. Levels are set based on study and are generally way, way below what might cause any symptom or problem in humans and animals. It is also possible that the test run at the university was in error in some way and that actual results were more or less than the reported value. Anyone who knows anything about scientific instrumentation will tell you there is often room for error. None the less, no one, let alone the manufacturer, can rectify any problem unless everyone cooperates. If you think the answer is to simply prepare your own food, I think you are naive. Another issue is that if this was what made the dogs in question so ill, why are no other dogs, as yet, reported ill. Clearly, it will be important to check the lot number and allow the manufacturer and the appropriate agencies to follow up on this. Again, I do not feed Diamond and never will. But I think they have, in fact, been most responsive in the aflatoxin contamination issue. Quality control has been reinforced. They surely want to stay in business. It is good that people who have suffered a problem as the original poster come forward, but until all the facts are clear, I suggest we all be fair in our comments. I certainly would have been most upset if these were my dogs. Fortunately, the original poster was on the ball and it appears the dogs will be ok. I believe, in the end, Diamond will do the right thing if indeed it is proved the food was the issue.

Deeswolf (no email listed) While making your "corrections" why not answer Kougar's question?? Eagle Pack?? When one speaks with "authority" one should know what they are talking about----- Explain, please, for the benefit of all, your connecting Eagle Pet Foods, Mishawaka, Indiana, (Maufacturer of high quality premium food products) to Schell & Kampeter. Perhaps an explanation and an apology? Morgan

On another board I'm on, eagle pack pet foods posted a topic, their food is made by them, in their plants, no parent companies.