Socialization of the Schutzhund Puppy - Page 5

What happened to the moderator(s) with the fast delete.  Certainly could use it for the pieces on here that hijack a perfectly good question.

Dudley DR - give it a rest. This board is about GSD's not you.

Sue just say NO. Don't reply. He wins if his baiting gets you to be complicet in hi jacking a thread.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

What happened to the moderator(s) with the fast delete.  Certainly could use it for the pieces on here that hijack a perfectly good question.

Dudley DR - give it a rest. This board is about GSD's not you.

Sue just say NO. Don't reply. He wins if his baiting gets you to be complicet in hi jacking a thread.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

T

Sorry do right. You can't make a lying claim of racism than claim OOHH i'll reseach it later, research it now. I'll make it easier for you just search "RAMGSD BLACK" the list will be very small. you may find "BLACK sable" or "BLACK in color" nothing racist. SO COME ON PROVE IT. You're so big on asking everyone here to prove everything they claim NOW IT'S YOUR TURN. PROVE IT.

I never said I had been into anything like you. I said I had issue w/1 person and we kept it to our posts. we didn't drag it all over the board like you do. So don't try to compare the issues.

And you're supposed to be in law enforcment??????? Good God I feel much safer already knowing we have such obviously unstable people PROTECTING us.

You make all Ohioans, mot to mention all AMERICANS look like inbred jerks.

ONCE AGAIN IT'S YOUR TURN TO PROVE YOUR ALLEGATIONS.

PROVE IT!!!!!

As a matter of fact I'd like anyone interested in this issue to do a search. I just typed in "RAMSGD BLACK" and "RAMGSD RACIST" in the message board search. Funny thing is the only posts that comeback are the posts listed ON THIS THREAD.LOL.

               So DID WRONG.........PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back from the thread hijack: 

I really liked Dog1's post, and here is part of it so no one has to search through the junk on here:

<<I believe the schutzhund dog you describe exists, but it exists at a level that perhaps may be a level  or two above the dog  you will most likely be training.  Schutzhund does not create aggressive dogs that are unstable in public.

Trainers that train to compete make training the dogs focus in life. They are maintained in a controlled enviornment and look forward to the time they go to the field and get a chance to perform. Most trainers agree excessive socilazation, toys, unstructured activities take some edge off the dog's desire to perform. This is a generalized concept of a subject that can be discussed at length and contains many variables.

For most it's a personal decision between the relationship they want with their dog as a companion and their desire to excell on the field.

.......Try to seperate personal protection from schutzhund as there is a split concept between the two. You may be miscommunicating what you want and get something you don't need if you send mixed messages.>>

I have a follow-up question, then.  I understand about the "controlled environment" and excessive toys, etc. taking away some of the edge.  And I know some people do this from the get-go, from the time they bring the puppy home until it's titled.  But what about this idea?  I'd especially like your opinion, Dog1, but of course any opinions are welcome:  what about bringing your pup home and until it is 1 yo, doing all the totally normal things: it's part of the family, goes for walks, has toys, is socialized in many places, learns basic obedience every good pet should have, learns house manners, crate training, etc.  Then at about a year you start the more deliberate crate or kennel/work scenario, with toys and fun on the training field and not at home?  Babyhood is over and now work begins.  NO schutzhund training til a year or more.  I'm thinking of trying this way with my next puppy.  What do you think?

Good points tess, and Dog1,

I feel that no matter what you are training tho socializing is never bad.   Every dog needs to understand the difference between a work situation and a walk in the park.   If a dog cant be trusted in public then it doesn't belong in public.

Decide what kind of dog you want.

Oh, socialize the pup!  Lots of high international competition dogs are very social, are even good house dogs and good with kids.  I think it is an old fashioned idea that you cannot socialize a highly competive sport dog.  Of course I have not yet won the Nationals with my house dog...after I do, I'll come back to this thread and tell you all about it :-)  Those who think that you must keep the dog segregated and focused....show me YOUR nationally winning dog.  You and I will probably do about the same with our dogs...your's segregated and "focused", and mine a house dog and socialized.  I think what makes a winning dog, besides great training, is what it brings to the table when it's born.

Veronica

<<I think what makes a winning dog, besides great training, is what it brings to the table when it's born.>>

Maybe the high drive dogs would be great whether or not they're living in the house or in the kennel or crate.

Maybe it's the ones with not-so-great drive that need the confinement to build the drive. 

IOW, for Mr. A's dog, it can sleep on the bed and lie in the living room and still be a demon on the field and win above the club level, but if Mr. B's dog is sleeping on the bed and hanging around the house, that dog, born with less than Mr. A's dog, will really not care to get up and go on the field, but if you take away the toys and the bed it will boost his drive. 

I can see where my Dog A can live in the house with me and still be high-energy on the training field, but my Dog B, with different breeding, really needs the confinement in a crate to motivate him to want to come out and work.