Socialization of the Schutzhund Puppy - Page 2

So many mistakes some make, are because they don't take the "big picture" into account.  Take for instance the quote from above.  "I also don't encourage my dog to meet new people because I don't feel it's neccessary".

That is one of the  many problems with the sport of schutzhund.  Surely when you first went to a schutzhund club Susan, there was a lot of attention given to socialization of your puppy/dog.  Surely it was explained to you by those with more knowledge than you, how IMPORTANT socialization is in the sport and yet you don't "feel"  (there's that word again) it is necessary?

Yep, no  wonder others have recently posted about the publics ever worsening view of this breed.  What do you do when company comes over to your home?  Hide the dog in the bedroom?  Warn them not to go near your dog as you don't know what it might do?  Make sure that no ones children get around your dog, "just in case"?

Big mistake "feeling" your way around dogs trained to attack.  Do you as you have most assuredly been told is the proper thing to do by your mentors.  Socialize your dog.  It is a sporting dog, not a weapon.

Do right you following Sueincc around and having to post on every thread she posts under is getting old. If you dogs can sniff things out half as good as you can they'd all V in tracking.

I think that your statement :  "That is one of the  many problems with the sport of schutzhund."  is predjudicial of your feelings about Schutzhund. I have seen many more people that have these dogs as well as many other breeds that don't want to socialize their dogs that aren't affiliated with Sch. or any sport in any way. To link everyone in a particular group together because some do, or do not do certain things is infantile.

Thanks for your concern for my dog, but he is very well socialized.  That's not what we do at club, but of course, you know all about schutzhund clubs, and schutzhund in general after all you  visited one club one time, which in your mind qualifies you as an expert. 

DoRight you really are making a fool of yourself.

Bancroft:  The best thing about schutzhund for those of us for whom this is a hobby, is the deep bond it helps to build with the dog.  Schutzhund is a lot of fun and you can make lifelong friends with those who share yor interests..  You don't have to sacrifice any of the social aspects you enjoyed with dogs in the past.

ramgsd:  I am sure many remember your rants and raves that were rediculous, in the past.  So I will just ignore your posting.  Your opinion means nothing to me, and most others.

Susan:  If you allow any dog that is trained to attack, whether schutzhund or some other form of bite training sport, to not be socialized properly and continually, then you are making a mistake.  A mistake which could, not guaranteed, but could have a bad result,  Mystere has it right.  You do not.  Because you don't feel that it is necessary.  hmmm.  What other training standards are you avoing because yo do not think that they are necessary?

There is a place for socialization avoidance for dogs being trained to do certain jobs, obviously.  I have trained many thusly.  But not dogs trained for a sporting event.  A mistake I assure you.

By the by.  You really should stop referring to my having been to a schutzhund club only once in my life.  I posted that a year and a half ago, and have attended several times since.  As I told you, I recently purchased a Sch III titled dog, and I did not do so without proper investigation of what the heck I was getting for my money and interest.

But, I understand that you are a year behind, so I forgive you for that one.

Now, before you do your usual questioning of my dog purchase and attendance at schutzhund events, please do tell me the name of the dog you claimed to have titled and at what trial you did so?  Did you also not socialize THAT dog too?  What happened to that titled dog?  I would be interested to know.

I think we could all use a good story.  Why don't you tell us all how you were a GREAT decoy for the police department, and so tough you refused to wear protection  except for 6 sweat shirts and you didn't care where you got bit.  What a macho man you must think you are.  If you need help refreshing your memory I'll be happy to copy & paste it for you again.

As I said before, thanks for your concerns, but my dog is well socialized and under control. Feel free to  ask some of the people who have met my dog.   You are free to ask Mystere, RatPackKing, (haven't seen them since the schutzhund seminar last July in Oregon), Dean and Karla Calderon,  Roland Seibel, Marc Sacciccio, Vickie from Powerhaus, members of the Tulsa Schutzhund Club, Green Country Schutzhund Club  (I just got  back from participating in the Roland Seibel seminar in Oklahoma).

Since you have no logic with which to base your bizarre theories about what's wrong with schutzhund,  you always resort to much gnashing of teeth, hysterics, name calling, and a lot of hot air - basically you fight like a girl. Obviously you haven't checked out a thing with regards to schutzhund because you still don't have a clue as to what it's all about. 

 And now it's come to this.  You can't discuss anything rationally and you can't use logic to illustrate your beliefs because everything you utter about schutzhund is nonsense.  I see  that you are now branching out from lying about yourself to lying about what I have said.  If you want to know about my Tiekerhook dog why not contact Koos himself?  You are so desperate for info about my dogs, here is a little tidbit for you:   I put that dog to sleep when he was 14years & 2 months old, December 15th 2005.  You can ask Dean about that dog too since he imported him for me when the pup was 8 weeks old.  I was a member of Camarillo Schutzhund Club and another schutzhund club in the Los Angeles area.   He was my once in a life time dog so that's "what happened" to that dog.  Before that, my dog was Cadet, a GSD who had to be put to sleep when he was 12 years old.  This was back in the early 80s, I was a member of  a Los Angeles Schutzhund club,  Dean wasthe TD.

You are a fear biter, Dudders. That's why you make rude remarks to anyone who dares to tell the sad truth about you. You should thank your lucky stars you aren't a dog because you would have been put down a long time ago.

I think some of you guys have been watching way too many Ed Frawley falleys.  Socialize, socialize, socialize,  I personally do not like dog parks for your dogs because too many people do not get shots and too much fecies around, however, there are great places to socialize your puppy, like the schutzhund club.  A higher percentage of schutzhund owners will have the proper shots and are very aware of their dogs and how they interact with other dogs as well as a puppy.  Let your puppy be a puppy, if as a puppy, it plays with other dogs and learns how to properly interact with dogs and be social, it will know how to as an adult.  If you socialize the puppy and teach it manners and how to properly interact with strangers, teach it there is a difference between on trial field and off, people running around in parks should not be an issue.  It is much easier to put aggression on for protection work than it is to take it off in social situations.  Take your dog everywhere possible, even if you are just going to the grocery store, just the few minutes you take him out of the car for a break and expose him to different situations, the calmer, more well behaved and more social the dog will be as an adult.  Good luck with your pup.

I completely agree all dogs need to be normal around people whether they are friends, family or strangers.  My dogs are always socialized, but not at club.  I don't go out of my way to introduce my dog to strangers and have never done that with any of my dogs; however, I make sure they always display normal behaviour  whether it's at the aiport, beach or a park, in a crowd.  

I don't know much about the Frawley tapes or Frawleys philosophy about dogs in general, except I know he doesn't trial or title in schutzhund or any dog sport with his GSDs.  I don't know about the Malinois they are breeding.