When does a BH really count? - Page 1

I have a couple of questions I hope someone might help me with. First off, I'm ready to put a BH on a bitch I have, but need to know if it's necessary to do it under an SV judge so the Breed Survey will count. Last spring I went to Canada and put a BH on a different female under an SV judge. I had been told that unless the BH is done under an SV judge you won't be allowed to do a breed survey. While at the trial I was informed differently. I could do a BH under a different judge (non SV) as long as the Schutzhund I was done under the SV judge. To further complicate matters, the trial I am hoping to enter is a DVG event. I have a USA scorebook for this particular female, which the DVG will recognize, but will the SV? One final question, I keep losing the chat sight for the USA group moderated by Nia. Anyone know what that is? Thanks for your help.

To get your dog koerred, which can only be done by an SV judge, you must have a BH and an AD from an SV judge. Failure to do so will prevent you form getting your femaled koerred. Schutzhund titles from DVG judges are recognized by the SV (but to the best of my knowledge the DVG does not offer the BH or AD which are SV titles) As to USCA judges or WDA judges, their BHs or ADs are not recognized by the SV. And USCA claims to the contrary, I do not believe their SchH titles are recognized by the SV The last word. Get your BH from an SV judge. It does not matter where or with which organization, but it should by an SV judge.

Hey, dcw I had a very similar question, and I got many sencible responces. Look here: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/18129.html

"To get your dog koerred, which can only be done by an SV judge, you must have a BH and an AD from an SV judge. Failure to do so will prevent you form getting your femaled koerred." The BH and SCH1 on my female was done under a USA judge. The show rating and koer was done under a SV judge. I have my breed survey from the SV in front of me. It was no a problem. And the SCH2 was done under a SV judge. This was in the past year. No issue or problem at all.

My koered female was done at a USA koer under SV judge. At the time, she was Schh1, with AD and BH under SV judges, and the schh1 under USA judge. Her 2 and 3 are under SV judges. But when I went to enter my male in a koering at a WDA show in July in Kentucky, I was told by a regional director, who double checked it at a directors meeting, that I could not enter teh koering as his BH and AD were under non SV judges...no matter if they were WDA or USA approved, I could not koer unless the BH and AD are under SV judges.

Do you think BH is considered a title? I do :)

No - a BH is a temperament test, a certification - it is a PREREQUISITE to trialing for a TITLE - the AD is a certification as well. This is not a matter of opinion, but of fact under the SV and organization rules. Actually, a change was offered and rejected to have the BH be a title and an acceptable achievement level for breedworthiness. It was overwhelmingly rejected. CGC,TD and HIC are not TITLES. They are certificates or certifications. A CD, CDX and UD are TITLES.

Could it be that the WDA requires all titles to be under SV judges and the USA does not? That is what it that is what it looks like.

Klossbruhe wrote: "Schutzhund titles from DVG judges are recognized by the SV (but to the best of my knowledge the DVG does not offer the BH or AD which are SV titles)" DVG offers Bh, AD, VPGA, VPG1-3, FPr1-3 (tracking test), StP1-3 (random article search), FH1-2, RTP (rescue dog), and WH titles. I think they also have OB1-3 available as well, though it's not in the current rule book.

To have a dog breed surveyed the SV requires an AD, BH, and at least once SchH title under an SV judge. This includes SV/Foreign judges. I had to repeat an AD, BH, and SchH title under an SV judge prior to having my current dog breed surveyed. If you’re not interested in an SV Koer report, it doesn’t matter. Unless you want to do the AD and BH more than once, show under an SV judge. The WDA and USCA need to resolve this problem with the SV (Someday).