Just another Sport Dog - Page 5

Temperament is the hallmark of this breed, IMO. Barenfang, it's good to see you value temperament as well as work in your dogs.

Here is one of mine at one year,

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cr6oiko9oidv4bx/IMG_5998.MOV?dl=0

Being trained for SDA, one year old...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wj7faiv76go9d51/IMG_8745.MOV?dl=0

Titled P1 and P2 at only 19 months old, HOT, first time dog owner...

Keeping the breed what it is meant to be....

I have an L/E patrol/narc class starting next month. I would gladly take him off your hands. He would not be hard to convert over to a patrol dog!!

20 months old, female...PPD

Same female, drug detection training

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f1ljyci4rxotq4k/IMG_0163.MOV?dl=0

 

 

Personally, Temperament and Confidence comes before drives!

Without that you have nothing. While I will never be able to fill my parents footprints I keep the very same principles.

BE and joanro, clearly you aren't serious about the breed. Just read a FB discussion yesterday that began as a critiquing of using a ball or toy in the blind to teach the hold and bark, but quickly started to accumulate proud comments from others about how their dog wouldn't allow *anyone* other than the owner to touch them, for any reason, at any time, that's just how "serious" their dog was... I held my fingers, but I couldn't help but wonder just how great that trait is going to be when their dog has a serious medical problem which needs to be treated immediately, and they can't find a vet who is willing to handle the dog. So yeah, I think temperament, health and working ability are a triad that are mandatory--none of them can be missing, IMO, if a dog is going to be used for breeding, and if that dog can't produce those three things as well, it shouldn't stay in the breeding shed, either.

the opposite of that way of thinking is the reason why breeds like dobermann, rotweiler, schnauzer,bouvier and boxer to name some are in the shape they are workingwise, and the GSD well on its way there

malinois does have the advance of not being a desirable Pet breed, but current sport culture is pushing it in same direction

I can't imagine a vet withholding treatment due to a vicious dog. Muzzle, pre-sedative, gas chamber...

Dammit, I had a sarcasm identifier right after the first sentence of my earlier post, as well as paragraphs, which took a lot of effort because this site has been buggy for me this week [lag between keystroke and display, sometimes have to strike 3-4 times before character appears]...and yet it posts without either.

duke1965, I don't care for a soft or weak dog any more than anyone else does--but I expect a dog to be sound enough in temperament to discern a threat from a neutral or genial situation, and still be strong enough to engage the true threat if it arises. Nothing wrong with a dog that has natural suspicion--I like that--but when it's 'all clear' I expect the dog to at least be neutral. I have no use for a dog that can't be handled by medical, boarding and grooming personnel, or can't be taken off-site for fear that someone's errant kid squeals and runs up to see the doggie when I'm walking across the parking lot.

All of the breeds you mentioned didn't just lose working ability because they became popular as pets--they also lost favor as working dogs because they aren't as versatile as the GSD, so eventually the only people breeding them were primarily the conformation and pet breeders.

In a good breeding program where the triad of temperament-health-working ability is the foundation at all times, there will likely always be a few puppies in any given litter that are only suited for a working placement, some that could go either way--pet or working--with the correct placement, and a few that are only suitable as companion pets. To me, that's the way it should be.

Dammit....I keep getting a message that the page is not responding due to a long-running script. Do not know what that means, but it's messing with input and making the page reload. I'm out.

Screw versatility, breed for extreme freaks, gravity will always pull downwards.