Euthanasia PAS... - Page 2

Ruger1,
I respect the beliefs of others, as long as they respect mine.
Which is to say these beliefs are also personal and could be discussed in polite conversation but no one wants to be preached at as some will do.
The problem is that this is the driving force in most of our protectionist legislation so it's hard to avoid the connection.

And though I address you direct it is not my intention to single you out, my comments are for anyone who reads them for the most part.
No loss of friendship over anything said here, everyone will have a different view as it should be.

In my view Physician Assisted suicide should be legal and affordable, that could mean nothing more than a prescription from your doctor.
For those who do not have the capacity to decide, the immediate family should have the power to decide for them, not a doctor, institution, or the state.
If this was a legal option most would plan ahead or appoint a legal guardian to oversee the process.

I have personal experience with suicide's by individuals that were otherwise not sick or old and here counseling might have helped.
Both used a firearm. 
There is no simple answer here in this situation and a great lack of options.

There is a weakness that is getting worst in the human species and I believe it is more social than genetic.
I believe it comes from depending on society for things you should be dealing with yourself.
Dealing with bullies is a prime example, something that has been in the news a lot in the last few years.

What are we teaching our children and who is teaching it.
This is a whole other subject as well, and religion also plays a role here in my opinion, not exclusively but it's there.
So is our society and how children learn about life, mostly from outside sources and not the family.
Family is the key to all these issues and not the consensus of the ruling body of our society be it through laws or religion.
You might agree we are not one size fits all.


Humans are the most dangerous creatures on the planet and I think we need a better understanding of ourselves.


Moons.


  

One little point...

There is a viablility point considered when dealing with abortion. I think it is fair to say that it's not a widely-accepted belief that life doesn't begin until birth. A person can be charged with a double murder of a pregnant woman after a certain gestational week. As someone who has been pregnant, I will vouch that there IS DEFINITELY life before birth, lol. My son has the same schedule he has had since I could first feel him kick.

Anyway...I wanted to make that distinction, that regardless of what your personal beliefs are as far as abortion, to say there's an argument between life beginning at conception and birth isn't really accurate.

Jenni78,
The argument is the basis of the law.
And viability has nothing to do with your rights.
Yes a fetus is alive before it is born, no contest.


Moons.

Deanna, you are a deep thinker. There is a old song called "She Even Woke Me Up To Say Good By". In the song there is a line that says " it's not her heart, it's just her mind". A lot of people especially older people whose mind begins to give up far before their body does. A lot of times these people are already gone they are just waiting for their body to follow. It is the saddest thing to watch. While I don't agree with assisting them, I also would not want some body else to intervene in my decision by prolonging it.

Hank

Moons, 
   I find your thoughts very interesting.... 

   I do agree that families should take more responsibility for their own and that outsiders should interfere less. On the other hand,  I think about all the idiots in the world and I worry about the poor souls who are at their mercy. I do not think that families always have their loved one best interests in mind, Not because they mean to intentionally do harm, but because people can deceive themselves into thinking that their own selfish motives are best for others. I see this all the time at work. It seems when it comes to institutions, medical system, and the state, you give them an inch they take 10 miles...It either has to be all or nothing and it is very hard to decided which is the lesser of the two evils.  I would choose my family to make decision's for me....

  I am also very concerned about what our children learn and who teaches them. My daughters are attending their first year of high school this year. They have been home educated their whole lives. They are enjoying some of the activities that high school has to offer, but they are very disappointed to see the lack of respect, maturity, and discipline that the majority of the young people have toward their peers and teachers and academics. I never felt comfortable about sending my girls to school to learn about things that I believe are better learned at home especially as young impressionable children. I realize that home educating is another controversial subject, but it is one decision that I am confident I made the right decision about for my children....

  I also agree that we are not one size fits all. We are all very different in many ways. The older I get the more content I am about letting others be different. Until you walk a day in another persons shoes, we really can not be a fair judge of what is best for others and their families......

  You are right about humans being the most dangerous species on the planet, I believe it is because we are not content as other creatures to live under the Sovereign rule of a Divine Creator. Yes, moons, religion/faith has everything to do with the subjects we are discussing and there is no way to avoid it....: )


 

I'm with you on that Ruger1. My mother seemed a bit put off when I told her I didn't want to be the one to pull the plug. I don't think I'd be able to get past the thought, "I killed Mom." My sister does not have those qualms. 

I was not specifically talking about Alzheimers or dementia. My point was your mind can lie to you. Depression, hopelessness, faithlessness, all these things can cause a person to give up. Suicide is one of the worst results from staying in that condition. I've seen it many times even in young people. It is because they don't really know or understand their value. any time a person begins to lose their sense of their worth in life they begin to die at a rapid pace because they give up. As long as a person in this condition is alive there is hope.

Hank

desert dog,
 
 You wrote......
"My point was your mind can lie to you. Depression, hopelessness, faithlessness, all these things can cause a person to give up. Suicide is one of the worst results from staying in that condition." 

   Wow!!..You are absolutely right and that is why PAS has a dark side IMO.

You also said..... " As long as a person in this condition is alive there is hope."

Very true statement...Thanks for your post.....

 

Moons.