puppy haveing reaction to puppy shot - Page 3

Sounds like this dog had problems that were over looked. You say this all happened the same night the day the pup went home.....then blamed food change for the Diarrhea......... Coccidia had to come from the kennel since we know the cause...And it is known to come back now and then since a pup will smell its stool and start it over again. I don't think the new owners should be at blame for it as much as the breeder. Bad advice for one and two not having a stool sample checked before it left the litter. I think The breeder playing Doctor has contibuted some what also. It is sad that the puppy died and see you made good on it for them. Just don't blame them...They have enough stress about her dying. Dehydration is probably the real cause........

NO THIS DID NOT HAPPEN THE SAME NIGHT THE PUPPY LEFT. you have a reading problem Biv. And in my first post I said that I was refunding the money. And yes if they had taken her to the vet and vet found cocci..I would have paid for it. this pup did have a stool sample done about 5 days befor she left here, they all went to the vet and had a health check up, and were cleared in good health. So again BIV not reading what was already stated. I also never said that the pup didn't get it here...I said that the pup was not taken to the vet when they thought it was sick they waited two days and then took her in when she was so sick that she couldn't even stand. I don't get why you guys are acting like I am going to scream at this lady...I told her that in the event that she ever gets another puppy that she should take it to the vet within 24 hours and if the puppy has diarea take it in...don't wait until the puppy is so sick that it can't stand and is dead to take it in. That is lack of care. I was very nice to her and hope in the future she will come back to me as a client. I treat all my clients the way I want to be treated...I would have wanted to be told what I could have done different so that I could make sure that if it happends again I will do things better. Heather

What I did tell them on the phone when they called and said she had a loose stool was this.... Pups will tend to get a loose stool when stressed and with a change in food. If she doesn't get better within a few hours call and let me know, she will need to be treated for the diharea with albon and go to the vet. Also if she has loose stool for a period of time the level of cocci will rise in her system and she will get very sick and could die. I told them this that night...so they knew that if not treated the pup could die. And still they waited to long to take her to the vet...and didn't call me the next morning when she still had loose stool. I also told them that I would drive to thier house (2 hours away) and bring them some albon to treat her with for the diarea. I assumed since I didnt' hear back from them the next mornging she was fine and all had passed...the next phone call I get is from the wife when she is at the vet and said the dog died. Biv I know you are pissed at all breeders because you had a bad thing happen to you..But I dont' lie or cheet my buyers. I want them as clients for life. I want them to come to me the next time they buy a dog. I go out of my way to give advice and help any way I can. But if someone doesn't keep me informed how can I help them. NONE OF THE OTHER PUPS ARE SICK. I would have to be a mind reader to know what was going on in thier house. You also act like I am trying to hide the fact that they got this here....and I am not. I would have paid the vet bill had the pup gone to the vet. I have taken the steps to make sure this doesn't happen again. You need to not take something out on me because you had a bad thing happen to you. I am not trying to cheat, or steal from these people. I just think that each person should do thier part. How did I know this pup had a problem...she was check out 5 days befor showing no signs of sickness when she was here....they picked her up and played with her befor she left so if she was sick they wouldn't have taken her. So how was I to know that she had this, also non of the other pups are showing any sign of being sick....of course they are all being treated now. Heather

I feel sorry for both parties....it is unfortunate and sad....but sitting here making Heather feel worse isn't going to help...from her previous posts on this forum i think she is a responsible breeder and knows a lot, and does contribute to the breed. She was posting this to get info and help others learn from the mistakes, not to be attacked. People should post this stuff on here so we can all learn from it. NO MATTER WHOSE FAULT IT IS. Het took responsibility for the coccidia, the owners SHOULD have taken puppy in at first signs of trouble... I hope everything works out for both parties..

Ummm...Heather? Not to be a bitch or anything, but this IS one of your earlier posts in this thread: "Het puppy haveing reaction to puppy shot (0 replies) 24 June 2005 - 15:06 Reply oh and the this all started the evening that she went home.... This is also the 4 litter of this female and the 5 litter with this male....no pups have had any health probles out of either. Heather" So THAT'S where Biv got that impression--your own words. Question: how much experience do these people have as dog owners, and as owners of a new puppy in particular? To be frank, I think telling them that *they're* the reason this puppy died is harsh; I'm sure they are already blaming themselves heavily, and will never, ever let another dog go more than a single *day* with loose stools or diarrhea....but hindsight is always 20/20. Everyone dropped the ball for this poor pup, from breeder to buyer to vet to fate, but sometimes sh** just happens, and sometimes sweet puppies just don't have what it takes to fend off what life challenges it with. Sad, but true. Glad to hear that the rest of the litter is doing well, and I'm sure you'll be sending each of them off to their new owners with full instructions to not only have them vet-checked right away by their own vet, but to have ANY sign of illness checked out by their vet RIGHT AWAY. Better to err on the side of caution.

that was ment that the pup had a loose stool on the evening that it went home...after they fed her new food. That is very common. well new information. It is distemper. we are all now quarentined and no pups are going anywhere. I have called all buyers that have already picked up the pups, and let them know. THis is so badd...they did have the 6 wk and 8 week puppy shot. and should have been covered, but still got it. and all the information that I have been reading says that should have covered them. So I don't know what is going on. It also said it is airborne and has a 20 mile radius. so a dog with it within 20 miles from here could have had it and never been on the property and now the babies have it. Has anyone delt with this befor??

Hi Het, very sad indeed. I am so sorry to hear this. You can try to prevent all you want, you can never guarantee against nature. She has her own ways and wills at times. As a rule of thumb, any dog, especially pups that have the runs or throw up for more than 24hrs makes a visit to the vet mandatory in my books. The more inexperienced the new owners, the more urgent that becomes. As another rule of thumb, and some thought it was silly when I mentioned it before - pup is NOT to leave the owners premises until cleared by their vet within 72 hours, and then I still recommend they keep it close to home until the next vaccination. Re-homing causes stress, recent vaccinations cause stress. Stress makes a pup more vulnerable to infections. In other words, what it may have been able to ward off easily under normal conditions at home in your kennel, it suddenly got sick from. Probably the reason why the others are still ok. Coccidia can also come from eating rodents, and also from feeding raw meat! So much for putting pups on BARFF... A vaccine usuaually takes about 5 days to take effect. I vaccinate early enough to make sure that the vaccine has taken and will actually protect the pup by the time it is arriving at its new home. If there are reactions (lucky so far, but had several friends who have been through the same...) I can catch it early and deal with it appropriately myself. Really makes no sense to put blame here or there or anywhere. That will not bring this pup back and it will only make everyone more miserable. Please reconsider what you are telling the puppy buyers, except that next time, more urgency is needed. Can you check the chickens if they are carriers for the coccidia? Never thought about that. One of your older dogs could also be a carrier. I have never had a problem with it, but I guess since it keeps cropping up so much all over the place, maybe a good talk with the vet as to prevention might be in order. Thanks for sharing.

Now distemper? Didn't you have a problem with Parvo awhile back, too? I'd be investigating my location if I were you.

Het, For various reasons it is perhaps foolish to react to certain purposed, provocative remarks above. (however cleverly contrived!) And, with benefit of hindsight, it's also all too easy to have all the answers! There are good learning experiences here and I'm also glad you shared it. Under the circumstances as they arose, I think you did all that was humanly possible. Negligent is a harsh word, but the buyer was certainly careless or too complacent. Yet, I doubt if anyone can state categorically that pup would have survived in different hands or if more had been done. As you're undoubtedly also aware, running chickens in near vicinity of pups (or other domestic animals) was never a great idea! Finally, for what it's worth. I'd only meet the buyer halfway as far as refund is concerned. By the way, I read Yasko F. will be heading your way. Speak of a stud to kill for! (Lock away all others in the neighbourhood?) Any plans to use him? (I think he's about 7 years plus now - still a couple of good years left.)

OMG, you poor soul! No vaccine provides absolute protection. Are you vaccinating yourself? If yes, then maybe you need to address the company you got the vaccines from, how the vaccines were shipped, how they were stored, etc. A bad batch of vaccines could be one cause. Even from the vet. If there are still any left, might be worth having them checked. Also time to give the state vet a call to get some info on the state of infectious diseases for dogs in your area.